rich wrote:
Yeah, that's cheating in any chess {match} it's against the rules to use a book or anything to help you !!!!
Any chance of dynamically linking the word cheating whenever it occurs in the forums so that it links to the section of the FAQ dealing with the rules for playing on chess.com i.e. http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=17&nav=0,6 - or would that spoil the fun?
Yes, it is pretty obvious that a lot of people are not finding the rules of play on this website. After long discussion threads, new people keep jumping in with "Using books is cheating!" or something similar indicating that they still don't know the rules. Maybe they're not really looking for them. Perhaps it would be good to somehow "hit 'em in the face" with the rules when they sign on, or some such.
nimbleswitch wrote: "Yes, it is pretty obvious that a lot of people are not finding the rules of play on this website. ... Perhaps it would be good to somehow "hit 'em in the face" with the rules when they sign on, or some such."
The introductory chat in Greeter games is an excellent start:
CHESScom: You have been matched to play with xyz, a volunteer Chess.com Greeter.
Your opponent might not be online right now! This kind of chess is called "turn-based" and is a little slower than regular chess, but your Greeter has been notified and will make their reply move soon! They can then answer any questions you might have about Chess.com.
After you make your move feel free to browse the site - you will automatically get an alert when your Greeter has moved!
Want a faster game? Try Live Chess!
To send a message just type in the field below and hit Enter.
The browse the site links takes you to the sitemap - which is well laid out - though there is a lot of it.
If some of this information was ALSO sent in a message, that would be helpful. Perhaps along the lines of:
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Overview of everything about chess.com |
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Rules for playing turn-based chess on this site |
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Other key info??? |
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Which other information would be particularly valuable?
It's not a case of is it or isn't it - it's not cheating. And neither is using a database attached to Fritz or Rybka.
It is stated in the rules of correspondence.
So there.
OG
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What is it? |
Is it permitted DURING Turn-Based (and Vote Chess) play? |
Is it permitted DURING LiveChess play? |
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Asking another person for advice |
Includes discussing a game-in-progress in the chess.com Forums |
NO* (except during VoteChess - when discussion WITHIN the team is expected) |
NO |
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Books |
This is a static resource and involves no calculation of best move. |
YES |
NO |
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Chess Engine (chess computer) the move calculator inside such programs as Fritz, ChessMaster |
Software (or free-standing gadget) that calculates the best move from a given position |
NO (except by agreement of both players, where specifically arranged and must be UNRATED games e.g. in a tournament created for that purpose) |
NO |
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Conditional Moves (Pre-Moves) |
Setting your response in advance to one or more of your opponent’s moves |
YES |
YES |
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Internet articles; Google searches |
This is a static resource and involves no calculation of best move. |
YES |
NO |
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Games Database e.g. chess.com’s Game Explorer |
A database (or collection) of previous games, that is searchable. It is most useful as an Opening Database. (ForVote Chess games, the Explore button takes you directly into Game Explorerat that position. Forturn-based games, the click theAnalyse button followed byExplore). |
YES* (There is some debate about whether DBs containing engine-engine games are permitted). |
NO |
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Separate board for analysis e.g. chess.com’s Analysis Board |
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YES |
NO |
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TableBases (Endings Database) |
The results from an analysis of end games (stored in a database) in which the sequence of moves to achieve the best outcome has been calculated |
NO |
Tablebases are not the same as databases of games. Tablebases are programs that are set up with pre-calculated optimal responses to positions. The most-often talked about tablebases are endgame tablebases. These have progressed to the point where, for example, you can put any five pieces (either color) anywhere on the board and the tablebase already knows the exact result. Nothing more to calculate, it's already done. It's like a computer that has already done all the calculation. You can buy tablebases to add to your computer so that when you reach these endgames--zip! That's why using a tablebase is using a computer. Not allowed here at Chess.com. (Some correspondence-style chess websites have even given up on banning computers, such as ICCF. But here at Chess.com computers and tablebases are still not allowed.)
Databases are just collections of games you can consult. That's why using databases is like using books, magazines, etc. Chess.com's Game Explorer is just a sophisticated way of databasing and indexing games. These are all permissible in correspondence-style chess, including the turn-based games here at Chess.com.