So, about intuition... how does it feel?

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trysts
Atos wrote:

It's okay trystie, we'll turn chess.com into phil.com lol.


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Dimitrije_Mandic

Wow! What's exploded here is quite a debate! And I must confess, I did somehow link talent to intuition in the original question of this thread. But currently there are more questions than I can mentally classify and ask in this post, so I'll try to sum them up and cut the long story short:

in your last post, trysts, you said "If we are not in the habit of seeing chess positions, we move awkwardly. If we are in a habit of seeing positions, we develop a recognition of patterns." But I've also noticed players who just seem to know the right moves even in awkward opening positions they've not seen before (with no real habit of playing any similar positions), and those moves probably adhere to the general opening principles, but don't seem visually familiar and pretty like those most usual, common and aesthetically symbolic opening moves that are also good and follow principles! Is that based on feeling?

Also, I think we're somewhat off topic. Thanks again to the three debaters of the Apocalypse (Fezzik, trysts and Atos Laughing), but I'd like to address the problem of aesthetics and effectiveness in correlation to intuition, in more detail.

P.S. I think I speak quite a good deal of English language by intuition! I don't always know what words exactly do mean, but I've got some hunches! Aside from English, the only somewhat similar language I somewhat know (but just somewhat) is German (possibly very few bits of Italian), while Serbian doesn't really resemble either of the two as a Slavic language! The only similarity is in the use of borrowed words, but that's not much! I did listen to a fair deal of English in my earlier childhood, though. Smile

trysts
Dimitrije_Mandic wrote:

 

in your last post, trysts, you said "If we are not in the habit of seeing chess positions, we move awkwardly. If we are in a habit of seeing positions, we develop a recognition of patterns." But I've also noticed players who just seem to know the right moves even in awkward opening positions they've not seen before (with no real habit of playing any similar positions), and those moves probably adhere to the general opening principles, but don't seem visually familiar and pretty like those most usual, common and aesthetically symbolic opening moves that are also good and follow principles! Is that based on feeling?


I don't know what an "aesthetically symbolic opening move" is. If someone makes a move that follows opening theory without having studied, seen, or played chess very much, it could simply be the logic behind the opening. Some opening moves are just logical, when given the rules of the game, and simple opening strategies. Logic, chance, calculation and intuition(pattern recognition) could account for every move made by anyone. Whether or not a move is "pretty", is another matter all together.Smile

-X-

In chess, I find that my intuition is often wrong. However, when I play a move intuitively now, it is much more likely to be a good move than after I had just learned how to play chess.

FWIW