Taking back a move

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11th October 2008, 06:53pm
#1
by minatonamikaze7
Hidden Leaf Village International
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1546

Does anyone think that there should be an option in correspondance chess to take back your move even after you submit your move? (should your opponent agree) because I just played a game against someone who was about to force a queen trade on me and I wouldnt have been able to castle, but they accidentally moved their queen one square in front of my queen checking me with nothing to do but take the queen, and I got it for free.

I certainly wouldn't have taken it if I had any choice and I dont think its fair I won that game because of something like that...............

what do you guys think?

11th October 2008, 06:57pm
#2
by Mm40
Essex County, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 2166

Well, erik and the rest of the staff are trying to develop coaching mode with takebacks, but other then that, I dunno...

11th October 2008, 06:57pm
#3
by mowque
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 337

no mulligans in chess

11th October 2008, 07:10pm
#4
by kenny10293847
West Virginia United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 48

It's correspondence chess, so they should deactivate touch-move.

11th October 2008, 07:19pm
#5
by redlite462
Sutherlin, OR United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 116

touch move is a setting in your own profile (of which, I'm sure you're aware, but for others' sake...)

that said, more than once, I've made a move, hit submit, and saw that it was a blunder...as it disappeared off the screen....oh, well, thats chess (at least my brand of it)

11th October 2008, 07:28pm
#6
by photray94
United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 470
redlite462 wrote:

touch move is a setting in your own profile (of which, I'm sure you're aware, but for others' sake...)

that said, more than once, I've made a move, hit submit, and saw that it was a blunder...as it disappeared off the screen....oh, well, thats chess (at least my brand of it)


Making a blunder in a CC game is a little embarrassing, sorry.  You have at least 24 hours to think about your move.

11th October 2008, 07:39pm
#7
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1364
photray94 wrote:
redlite462 wrote:

touch move is a setting in your own profile (of which, I'm sure you're aware, but for others' sake...)

that said, more than once, I've made a move, hit submit, and saw that it was a blunder...as it disappeared off the screen....oh, well, thats chess (at least my brand of it)


Making a blunder in a CC game is a little embarrassing, sorry.  You have at least 24 hours to think about your move.


 ... I dont take more then 5-10 min thinking of a move. Even then, grandmasters make blunders. surely we can make blunders after a long time calculating, it all depend on what you consider a blunder. A blunder isn't always something like hanging a piece u know

11th October 2008, 07:45pm
#8
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10203

there have been many threads on this already. conclusion: having people request takebacks would cause problems because people would be offended when you reject them, and it would also make people more careless with their play. we will do it for coaching mode. :)

11th October 2008, 07:51pm
#9
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 10203
Kupov wrote:

The problem is that sometimes in live chess, it lags using you to drop your piece on the wrong square.


we WILL add for live chess ;)

12th October 2008, 12:18am
#10
by minatonamikaze7
Hidden Leaf Village International
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1546
erik wrote:

there have been many threads on this already. conclusion: having people request takebacks would cause problems because people would be offended when you reject them, and it would also make people more careless with their play. we will do it for coaching mode. :)


 ok eric I'm new here haven't been around the forums much thanks I understand that could be a problem, ok I'll just make sure I"m careful with my own moves

and lol ben I already said I had to take the queen or I would be in checkmate.........

12th October 2008, 12:33am
#11
by MsCloyescapade
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 574

My boyfriend is reading this comment and telling me that the fourth wouldn't ask such a stupid question...  I don't know what that means, but he asked me to write it so there it went.

12th October 2008, 12:36am
#12
by MsCloyescapade
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 574

He just told me and for the hundreth time am contemplating why I'm with my dork of a boyfriend... sorry for intruding.

12th October 2008, 12:56am
#13
by pickworth
hereford United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 24

no ! you have as much time as you need to make a move if you get it wrong tuff .its what gives us lesser players a chance against stronger players (i have been playing on line chess for 3 years and lost count how many times iv done it my self) lol

12th October 2008, 01:15am
#14
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3554
minatonamikaze7 wrote:
erik wrote:

there have been many threads on this already. conclusion: having people request takebacks would cause problems because people would be offended when you reject them, and it would also make people more careless with their play. we will do it for coaching mode. :)


 ok eric I'm new here haven't been around the forums much thanks I understand that could be a problem, ok I'll just make sure I"m careful with my own moves

and lol ben I already said I had to take the queen or I would be in checkmate.........


This was one of the discussions that summed up the potential problems succintly ...

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/help-tracking-down-a-sportsmanship-discussion-please

http://blog.chess.com/polleke/naivity

12th October 2008, 01:01pm
#15
by minatonamikaze7
Hidden Leaf Village International
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1546
artfizz wrote:
minatonamikaze7 wrote:
erik wrote:

there have been many threads on this already. conclusion: having people request takebacks would cause problems because people would be offended when you reject them, and it would also make people more careless with their play. we will do it for coaching mode. :)


 ok eric I'm new here haven't been around the forums much thanks I understand that could be a problem, ok I'll just make sure I"m careful with my own moves

and lol ben I already said I had to take the queen or I would be in checkmate.........


This was one of the discussions that summed up the potential problems succintly ...

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/help-tracking-down-a-sportsmanship-discussion-please

http://blog.chess.com/polleke/naivity


 thanks artfizz I'll read that one as well

12th October 2008, 01:27pm
#16
by eddiewsox
Chicago United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 827

I used to play some live chess on another site and twice (with 2 different people) I let my opponent take a move back and later on I blundered and asked for the same deal and was denied!

12th October 2008, 01:44pm
#17
by Phoenix52
PA United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 7

Eddiewsox - sorry to hear that. Nice guys finish last.

This whole thought of take-back moves is preposterous. When it's my turn I'll bring up the analysis board and see what comes about. Then I make my move and if it goes wrong, I could ask them for a take-back?

If people make blunders, it's their fault. If anyone asked me if they could take back their move, I wouldn't. I know they'd do the same thing.

12th October 2008, 02:13pm
#18
by Hugh_T_Patterson
San Francisco, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1324

I read this and decided to give it some real thought, rather than just going with my "gut" instinct. I made a comparison with the two things I know, playing guitar in front of an audience and academics. When I play shows, I have to pracitce for the shows. Why? Well I know the songs because I wrote them and have played some of them for decades. However, when you play live, you don't get to take back a wrong note. Once it's played, it's done, period. Now for academics. Let's say a heart surgeon had the option of getting a "take back" on test questions during medical school and during his or her rotation with the cardiac department in your loocal hospital. Well, one day you suffer from a major trama to the aortic valve. You are taken to the emergency room and rolled into the operating room for emergency surgery. In walks the surgeon, the same guy that got to have "take backs" while training. Do you want this person doing the surgery? Probably not!

     Yes, chess is different but I've read that the game can mimic life. Sure it would be great to get a mulligan or "take back" when you call your girlfriend a twit (or something worse), but life seldom gives second chances.

     Really, you learn more from mistakes, at least I do, and not being able to take back a bad move is part of the learning process. I'm sure some people don't agree with this, but everyone's got an opinion (let's not use the old joke opinions are like...)

12th October 2008, 02:16pm
#19
by cyyoum
Ravena, N.Y. United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 28

Certainly made my share of blunders but never expected to be able to take them back.

12th October 2008, 02:30pm
#20
by ADK
Santa Clarita, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 16525

I think it's a FAIR idea. {As long as your opponent willingly complies.}

ADK

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