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Which is better: Castling Kingside (short) or Queenside (long)?

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bulletheadbilly

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Castling is an important goal in the early part of a game, because it serves two valuable purposes: it moves the king into a safer position away from the center of the board, and it moves the rook to a more active position in the center of the board (it is even possible to checkmate with castling).

The choice as to which side to castle often hinges on an assessment of the trade-off between king safety and activity of the rook. Kingside castling is generally slightly safer, because the king ends up closer to the edge of the board and all the pawns on the castled side are defended by the king. In queenside castling, the king is placed closer to the center and the pawn on the a-file is undefended; the king is thus often moved to the b-file to defend the a-pawn and to move the king away from the center of the board. In addition, queenside castling requires moving the queen; therefore, it may take slightly longer to achieve than kingside castling. On the other hand, queenside castling places the rook more effectively – on the central d-file. It is often immediately active, whereas with kingside castling a tempo may be required to move the rook to a more effective square.

It is common for both players to castle kingside, and rare for both players to castle queenside. If one player castles kingside and the other queenside, it is called opposite castling. Castling on opposite sides usually results in a fierce fight as both players' pawns are free to advance to attack the opposing king's castled position without exposing the player's own castled king. An example is the Yugoslav attack, in the Dragon Variation of the Sicilian Defence.

If the king is forced to move before it has the opportunity to castle, the player may still wish to maneuver the king towards the edge of the board and the corresponding rook towards the center. When a player takes three or four moves to accomplish what castling would have accomplished in one move, it is sometimes called artificial castling, or castling by hand.

royalbishop
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:

with white Queenside Castling is fully acceptable. but black, rarely....

Castling queenside as black - http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=64784436

Totally acceptable.

So is playing the Grobe....


Have to try that in Bullet.

C-nack
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:

with white Queenside Castling is fully acceptable. but black, rarely....

Castling queenside as black - http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=64784436

Totally acceptable.

So is playing the Grobe....

You know that 0-0-0 there is one of top GM moves?

bulletheadbilly
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:

with white Queenside Castling is fully acceptable. but black, rarely....

Castling queenside as black - http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=64784436

Totally acceptable.

So is playing the Grobe....

You know that 0-0-0 there is one of top GM moves?

so is the Grobe...

C-nack
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:

with white Queenside Castling is fully acceptable. but black, rarely....

Castling queenside as black - http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=64784436

Totally acceptable.

So is playing the Grobe....

You know that 0-0-0 there is one of top GM moves?

so is the Grobe...

Funny guy. I bet you could improve if you were more open to suggestions made by other players.

http://www.chess.com/games/view?id=1297840 Sokolov as black

http://www.chess.com/games/results?sort=4&f=7760414 amongst others, Karpov (more games in this position than games with Grob opening, and it's 10th move lol)

bulletheadbilly
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
bulletheadbilly wrote:

with white Queenside Castling is fully acceptable. but black, rarely....

Castling queenside as black - http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=64784436

Totally acceptable.

So is playing the Grobe....

You know that 0-0-0 there is one of top GM moves?

so is the Grobe...

Funny guy. I bet you could improve if you were more open to suggestions made by other players.

How Much are you willing to Bet ?

I am allowed my Oppinion , and you yours, putting me down for my oppinion will get you no where Bud! 

If some one does not agree with you, accept it, for what it is. 

C-nack

Bet on what? On the position or on the fact that you can improve if you were more open to suggestions?

P.S: How come is your English so terrible? Are you really American?

royalbishop

Only 50 comments in and here we go again.

AndyClifton
Cnacnel wrote:

P.S: How come is your English so terrible? Are you really American?

Funny, I've never heard anyone ever ask that before.

goldendog

Yeah.

Usually it's Your English is horrible. American?

bulletheadbilly
Cnacnel wrote:

Bet on what? On the position or on the fact that you can improve if you were more open to suggestions?

P.S: How come is your English so terrible? Are you really American?

No am not american, am Russian spy, greetings from Siberia, the Land of the chess grandmasters. We Rarely Castle Queenside, by Rarely in Russia means, 12% of the Time Playin white, and 3% playing black. I work at the Kremlin for a Hobby. at the Kremlin, we actually Castle Queenside more Rarely, by more Rarely in Russian , i mean 9% White, 2% black...

So sorry if me English is not par with you, i was dropped when young boy,  And then Shot out of Old Russian Cannon in Russian Circus, Why is you against people who wont agree wid You ? Cannot we have different opinions wid out Ju putting the udder people Down?  Pleeze accept people and thier opinions wid out talking down to them, just cuz you spell bedder and play chess better, is not good reason to talk down to udder people. Tanks, and have good day.. Jesus Loves You !

AndyClifton

Don't be taken in by bullethead's smooth talk toward the end there btw...this is a recently obtained photo of him:

royalbishop
AndyClifton wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:

P.S: How come is your English so terrible? Are you really American?

Funny, I've never heard anyone ever ask that before.

Had to see it again.

royalbishop
hoynck wrote:
There is a third way. Don't castle at all. In general that is bad advise. But in the 40 years I have played chess now, I have at least learned not to castle to early. That reduces your options (like a wing attack with h2-h4-h5 in the Grünfeld) and it sometimes gives your opponent an extra tempo to take control over the center. By the way: the rules for castling have changed a lot in a few hundred years and were sometimes different from region to region.

The option to not castle is under the theory..... tired right now. I believe is when the center is closed or more likely it will not open anytime soon. In which case the King is safe. And all attacks have to come from the side or wing.

Open center which more than likely will force both sides to castle if they have the opportunity. Moving to side that gives the most protection. Also following a plan of attack comes to up when finding which side to castle.

o-o-o is most likely followed a pawn storm. Where pieces support the pawns to attack the king on the king side. Best done if your opponent is making mindless moves and playing from the book. Players that are not titlled are more prown to this exposure.

bulletheadbilly
royalbishop wrote:
hoynck wrote:
There is a third way. Don't castle at all. In general that is bad advise. But in the 40 years I have played chess now, I have at least learned not to castle to early. That reduces your options (like a wing attack with h2-h4-h5 in the Grünfeld) and it sometimes gives your opponent an extra tempo to take control over the center. By the way: the rules for castling have changed a lot in a few hundred years and were sometimes different from region to region.

The option to not castle is under the theory..... tired right now. I believe is when the center is closed or more likely it will not open anytime soon. In which case the King is safe. And all attacks have to come from the side or wing.

Open center which more than likely will force both sides to castle if they have the opportunity. Moving to side that gives the most protection. Also following a plan of attack comes to up when finding which side to castle.

o-o-o is most likely followed a pawn storm. Where pieces support the pawns to attack the king on the king side. Best done if your opponent is making mindless moves and playing from the book. Players that are not titlled are more prown to this exposure.

From my Stand point at around 1400-1500 rated, The Importance to Castle goes way down, once the queens are gone. so if you save your option to castle, like you might want to, if the queens get traded, then the king becomes an offensive weapon....

antioxidant

from the opening moves you have position yourself where to castle but as the  game goes on there might be opportunity not to castleor castle  left or rightside.there must be an overall picture of whats actually happening on the board as to precautionary means offense and defense.whatever that favors the situation to keep you from harm and strong defense and attacking chances will decide which way to shelter the king for a good ending and advantage in the preponderance of moves.

azziralc



azziralc

It all depends on what kind of opening and pawn structure will arise.

bulletheadbilly
antioxidant wrote:

from the opening moves you have position yourself where to castle but as the  game goes on there might be opportunity not to castleor castle  left or rightside.there must be an overall picture of whats actually happening on the board as to precautionary means offense and defense.whatever that favors the situation to keep you from harm and strong defense and attacking chances will decide which way to shelter the king for a good ending and advantage in the preponderance of moves.

Very well Put....!!!

TornadoTee

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