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pak-psychologist

I listened the person went to the king, and showed the game, the king said, "ask whatever you wanna ask", the person replied, you can't give it to me his highness!! king said, well ask!

the inventor said, "okay, put rice in one box of the chess and keep it doubling until 64th square. " when measured such amount of rice was not available in the whole country!!! is this true story? 

thegreat_patzer

early folk tale about the chess board. yes.

but this offers no explanation to the peices and how they move.  Nobody ,alive, knows who invented it and when.

and that is 100% true.

pineconehenry
Chess was invented in India around the 8th century. Then it was known as chatrang, and changed over the centuries by the Arabs, Persians and then ultimately the medieval Europeans, who changed the pieces' names and appearances to resemble the English court.
thegreat_patzer

I should say nobody (alive) knows EXACTLY who invented it and when.

as for india. yes thats a popular theory.   but the best website I perused said the birthplace was unclear and disputed.

from http://history.chess.free.fr/origins.htm

"The quest of Chess origin is an exciting riddle. This question is still unsolved today despite what can be said or read here or there.

These pages aim at gathering all elements at our disposal. Everyone will then make his own mind.

Chess sprang in History in Persia around 600 A.D., already opposing two armies of 16 pieces each. Searching earlier than that is diving in the game prehistory, in the myths and legends. Every civilization has its own. For the Indians, Chess was invented by a queen of Ceylan (Lanka) besieged by god Râma. For the Chineses, it was invented by the mythical Emperor Shennong or by his successor, Huangdi. For the Arabs and the Persians, it was a wise Indian, Gaw or Sassa (Sissa) with his wheat seeds... For medieaval Europeans, it was Xerxes, a Chaldean philosoph (Xerxes=Sassa?) or maybe it was Alexander the Great, or Ulysses, or the Egyptian queen Nefertiti or maybe Adam to forget Abel's death... Of course, this is not History. Well, so when, where, how Chess was born?

There is no doubt now that Chess is ... an Asiatic game. Three regions may claim to be its cradle: North of India, Central Asia from Iran to Turkestan and Eastern China. No one can object that there is a "genetic" link between all forms of Chess coming from these areas.

For most educated people, there is no question. The main stream theory is Chess was born in India in the 6th century at latest. That's all. Nevertheless, this vision is poorly informed and lies, mainly, on the intuitions of a chain of bright English historians and intellectuals, obviously impressed by the wealth and depth of the Indian civilization at the time where India was under the British rules: Hyde (1694), Jones (1790), Forbes (1860) et Murray (1913). Without denying how important was their contribution for the studies of India, it is clear that possible contribution of other cultures were not envisaged with the same intensity. To make it short, let's say that the main stream theory lacks of definitive proofs."

 

thegreat_patzer

okaaay then.  I was NOT going there.

I like "mad queen chess" (as the modern game should be called)- but calling chess a 'European invention' is a bit much.

thats like calling the Rocket an American invention! Its a little unfair...

X_PLAYER_J_X

who invented the chess and when?

Since scientist believe humans originated from Africa.

The first Chess forms originated from Africa than spread esle were by humans.

This is my educated guess! Best I got lol.

pineconehenry
The modern number of pieces and their movements are all evident in ancient Indian, Arabic, and Persian chess variations. Added by Europeans were the rules regarding move distance, stalemate, double pawn moves and castling - which, as stated, contribute to a more interesting game. A book called The Short History of Chess, by Henry Davidson adds detail to many of these ideas, though I'm sure fault, conflict of interest as well as ambiguity can be found in all history. Also, India invented Indian food, and that stuff is amazing.
pak-psychologist

Indian style chess (which was played by my uncle) is different than the international chess we play nowadays. I don't think so that it was invented in 8th century because in Islamic literature of Jurisprudence we find Islamic Jurists deal with game and discuss it and Islam was established aroung 6th century After Christ. 

ANOK1

anyone able to date the isle of lewis chessmen ,if so is it close to or earlier than 8th century ad which has been posted as date of origins of chattaranga ?

would love to know who invented chess they are due a massive monument but feel this fact will never be found ,

bigpoison

Strange that Europeans couldn't come up with the triangular sail then, eh Jingo?

bigpoison

Yep, and the rudder was a European invention, too.

bigpoison

You're a silly lad.

trysts

You can always hope that he's being sarcastic;)

Ziryab

I love it when historical truth is espoused by one who cannot tell a fake Lincoln quote from a fake Twain quote.

I can tell you this. I learned chess in Persia and introduced it to Spain.

https://sites.google.com/site/caroluschess/medieval-history/ziryab

It is true that the Europeans changed some rules that made it more dynamic and that the European version is played everywhere today. I can also say that a young pup whose dad edited the best English dictionary put his skills towards a history of the game and that no other book has exceeded it, although that book was published 102 years ago.

trysts
Fiveofswords wrote:

 im simply pointing out the undeniable fact which seems to make people uncomfortable that for some reason all the interesting things came from europe. 

Except that it's not a fact, and it's short-sighted. I'm pretty comfortable in pointing this out to you;)

TheOldReb

More importantly , who invented grits ?  Wink

bigpoison

How can you deny it trysts?!  It's undeniable!  You must have hit your head.

trysts
Reb wrote:

More importantly , who invented grits ?  

Native Americans according to wikipediaLaughing

trysts
bigpoison wrote:

How can you deny it trysts?!  It's undeniable!  You must have hit your head.

I could be down to a brain stem and still know the difference between fact and opinionLaughing

zborg

Everybody is out of Africa.  They are the original frequent flyer miles.

There's more genetic variability among Africans than everyone else combined.

But they didn't invent grits, or chess.  Their decendants did.