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blueemu
Yereslov wrote:
falcogrine wrote:

"In the opening no intelligence is required."

that made my day just now.

Of course no intelligence is required. It's all memorization, unless one veers off.

It's not my fault lower intellects like you can't grasp something so simple.

Where do opening novelties come from? Do stupid people invent them?

Nevergaveup

Novelty move's are actually The Most Brilliant move in a given position!

they are the most natural move's!!

varelse1

Every game has got to have at least one novelty.

SmyslovFan
varelse1 wrote:

Every game has got to have at least one novelty.

I have at least 160 games in my database which ended up with a draw by move 15 in the following line:



falcogrine
Yereslov wrote:
falcogrine wrote:

"In the opening no intelligence is required."

that made my day just now.

Of course no intelligence is required. It's all memorization, unless one veers off.

It's not my fault lower intellects like you can't grasp something so simple.

Become a grandmaster, or at least higher rated than me, before pretending that you know more about chess and opening theory. And since when is memorization not an example of intelligence? Additionally, if your opponent plays anything slightly different, you need intelligence to know what to do then. How many possible positions are possible after 1 move? 5? 10? Try and memorize them all.

Razor_Tactics

You people have no common sense not one of you can use your brain....You sit here naming all of these modern GMS as if they were Gods.Allow me to quote a saying from Bobby fischer himself who most of you regard as the best..Paul Morphy was without question the greatest chess player who ever lived why? Because he had NO predecessors before him to draw off of..Now a days we have Computers ,Libraries,Databases,Games,Books on every aspect of chess. Morphy was the greatest original talented played who ever lived because he was the inventer of self with noone to create a path before him.Hail to the chess God who created from nothing the greatest spectacle of chess the world has ever known. 

PIRATCH

What about Philidor? Musician and chess champion!

PIRATCH

No just the fact that Morphy had no predecessor ... Wink

Greco was one of the first. Philidor one of the middle. Even before Morphy there were great players of their time/era! Cool

That was my point by mentioning Philidor.

Yereslov

It is very doubtful whether Greco played his games. They are most likely compositions created by him in order to teach students. Morphy was somewhere in between Anderssen and Steinitz, but not quite there. Philidor was the first "modern" player, but that depends on what you consider modern chess, since the earliest recorded game is from 1475.

As for the best player? Probably Fischer. Fischer left the chess world during his peak. The Fischer of the 70's could have been the strongest player in history, perhaps more dominating than Kasparov, but that's just conjecture.

Yereslov
falcogrine wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
falcogrine wrote:

"In the opening no intelligence is required."

that made my day just now.

Of course no intelligence is required. It's all memorization, unless one veers off.

It's not my fault lower intellects like you can't grasp something so simple.

Become a grandmaster, or at least higher rated than me, before pretending that you know more about chess and opening theory. And since when is memorization not an example of intelligence? Additionally, if your opponent plays anything slightly different, you need intelligence to know what to do then. How many possible positions are possible after 1 move? 5? 10? Try and memorize them all.

I am higher rated than you.

Yereslov

Capablanca has the highest winning percentage according to my database.

He has a plus score against Lasker, Alekhine, and Nimzowitsch.

Yereslov
falcogrine wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
falcogrine wrote:

"In the opening no intelligence is required."

that made my day just now.

Of course no intelligence is required. It's all memorization, unless one veers off.

It's not my fault lower intellects like you can't grasp something so simple.

Become a grandmaster, or at least higher rated than me, before pretending that you know more about chess and opening theory. And since when is memorization not an example of intelligence? Additionally, if your opponent plays anything slightly different, you need intelligence to know what to do then. How many possible positions are possible after 1 move? 5? 10? Try and memorize them all.

Honestly, why would it matter how many potential moves there are?

If you remove the dubious and losing moves, you are left with very few options.

MontrellDenny

My vote would either be Bobby Fischer or Kasparov. But i think Magnus Carlsen is on his way up there if he is not already there

Yereslov
MontrellDenny wrote:

My vote would either be Bobby Fischer or Kasparov. But i think Magnus Carlsen is on his way up there if he is not already there

He's not all the way up there. He has yet to prove his rating. At the Canditates he got crushed by Ivanchuk, who made several mistakes throughout the ending. If a player rated 2872 can't defeat a player rated 2750+, than there is no reason to out him on the list.

Show me a game of Carlsen's that is anywhere near the quality of Kasparov of Fischer.

Yereslov
MontrellDenny wrote:

My vote would either be Bobby Fischer or Kasparov. But i think Magnus Carlsen is on his way up there if he is not already there

Kasparov lost against Kramnik in their World Championship match. He managed to lose two games and draw the rest.

Fischer left chess during his peak, and never proved himself against the likes of Karpov or Kasparov (who were by far stronger than any of his contemporaries).

MontrellDenny

Those facts are true but i dont think Carlsen has played his best games yet

Yereslov
MontrellDenny wrote:

Those facts are true but i dont think Carlsen has played his best games yet

Players peak either in their late 20's or early 30's. Carlsen still has a long ways to go before he proves his dominance.

Wait until stronger players arrive on the scene in about 3-5 years.

GreedyPawnGrabber

Right now, Carlsen is no one compared to Karpov and Kasparov.

Yereslov
GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:

Right now, Carlsen is no one compared to Karpov and Kasparov.

I'm quite certain Kasparov and Karpov in their prime would have a very difficult time against the current Carlsen.

Even under computer analysis, it's extremely difficult to find a mistake in his best games.

TetsuoShima
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