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Why is Alexander Grischuk so overlooked?

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Krestez

He is currently no.5 in the world, one of the best blitz players (2800+ rated), he was part of the Candidates, he's always taking part in major tournaments but it seems that no one takes regard of him in the news etc., even though he is a very strong super GM. He's like the least star of the chess elite. It's just a curiosity of mine. What do you think?

Phylar

I think he is lucky. This way he has almost none of the normal pressure put on him by the constant badgering of the media and fans and can just continue to do his own thing uninterrupted.

NimzoRoy

Alexander who? The first thing I think of when see questions like this one is how does the OP know he's overlooked? Are there any statistics on how often his name comes up compared to other "top ten" GMs in chess magazines, online articles, etc?

So out of curiosity i typed "Grandmaster Anand" "Grandmaster Gelfand" etc into Google's search engine and came up with these results:

Anand  69,000 results;  Carlsen 54,000; Kramnik 50,000;  Topalov 38,000; Nakamura 24,000; Gelfand 19,000; Aronian 18,000; Karjakin 15,000;  Grischuk 11,000; Morozevich 9,000

Conclusion: He doesn't pay Google for paid inclusion, or else Russian GMs in general (except Kramnik) just aren't as "popular" as non-Russian GMs

Babs-Jansen

maybe because he looks bored out of his mind all the time ?

TetsuoShima

I didnt like how Grischuk was refering to the computer anaylsis in the candidates matches. Ofc he is a real strong player and all use computers, but i dont know it was a bit of a let down for me.

Actually he is really famous because he wanted to get rid of long chess games or something like that, i didnt like that thought because i think long chess is way better.

LoekBergman
NimzoRoy wrote:

Alexander who? The first thing I think of when see questions like this one is how does the OP know he's overlooked? Are there any statistics on how often his name comes up compared to other "top ten" GMs in chess magazines, online articles, etc?

So out of curiosity i typed "Grandmaster Anand" "Grandmaster Gelfand" etc into Google's search engine and came up with these results:

Anand  69,000 results;  Carlsen 54,000; Kramnik 50,000;  Topalov 38,000; Nakamura 24,000; Gelfand 19,000; Aronian 18,000; Karjakin 15,000;  Grischuk 11,000; Morozevich 9,000

Conclusion: He doesn't pay Google for paid inclusion, or else Russian GMs in general (except Kramnik) just aren't as "popular" as non-Russian GMs

How did you get those numbers? Are we on another internet?

I had around 134.000 hits for chess Alexander Grischuk and around 749.000 hits for chess Magnus Carlsen and around 781.000 for chess vishwanatan anand. chess peter svidler had around 133.000 hits, chess bobby fisher only 116.000 (chess hikaru nakamura 211.000), chess gary kasparov around 1.150.000.

TetsuoShima

weird i get 223000 for alexander grischuk and 154000 for "alexander grischuk"

TetsuoShima

weird for chess bobby fischer i get like 1580000

TetsuoShima

chess nakamura 1.100.000 chess carlsen 1.5 million

LoekBergman

chess bobby fischer 1.040.000. :-)

There are more nakamuras playing chess.

chess carlsen 1.220.000.

Phylar

Google relates it's searches based on location. I assume this means that the results you receive back are based on your geographical location's interest in the subject.

NimzoRoy

How did you get those numbers?  Are we on another internet?  LoekBergman 

NO but I know a tad more about search engines than you do. I also initially claimed to know more than Phylar too but after looking up his explanation I'm not so sure. I don't think different locations would matter as much in our searches (ie for chess grandmasters) as they would if we were searching for restaurants, ie someplace to eat near where we live.

I got my #s by typing in "Grandmaster (last name)"  into Google's search engine. You got yours by typing in something completely different  ie "Chess - First name - Last name"

Your results inc all results with the word "chess" in them  as well as all results with the players names.    My results inc all results with "grandmaster" in them as well as with the players names.  

NOW I realize the correct search parameter (or most correct so far)  is "+Magnus +Carlsen" NOT "chess Magnus Carlsen" and NOT "Grandmaster Magnus Carlsen" 

Go back and type in the GMs full names without "chess" or anything else included and see what happens. 

DISCLOSURE: I really used StartPage's search engine, but they claim to simply show you the results from Google - without Google being able to know where the inquiry actually came from. BUT they lied to me, the results are radically different for "+Magnus+Carlsen" using www.Startpage.com (285,000 results) and then using www.Google.com  (1,700,000 results.) Maybe Startpage filters out duplicate and/or dead wrong results, I dunno at this point.

Well now that I've displayed my abysmally rudimentary knowledge of search engines I guess I'll show my opponents  some more of my rudimentary knowledge about chess 

Babs-Jansen

untracking boosters on.

NorthernChess2022

Grischuk is probably my favourite current player, I've also wondered why he doesnt get more attention. Maybe in the elite tourns he takes too many quick draws and doesn't show enough ambition.

macer75

Why is he overlooked? I can think of 2 main reasons:

1. chess isn't that popular among the general public

2. Grischuk hasn't won any major tournaments with normal time controls in recent years

TetsuoShima
Arloest wrote:

The general public doesn't know who any of these people are.  #2 may be relevant.

i believe the general public doesnt even know number 1, except for the ones that train for jeopardy and who wants to be millionaire.

TetsuoShima

lol that is funny but you could really interpret it both ways.

Babs-Jansen

A guy can interpret the simplest thing in countless ways.

SmyslovFan

Grischuk is capable of playing great chess, but my respect for him plummetted during the 2011 Candidates' match. 

This is just one of his many games as white where he subverted the game in order to reach the play-off where he had better chances to win due to the faster time controls. 

If the matches had been even two games longer, his strategy probably would have backfired, as Gelfand showed in the Candidates' Finals.



dashkee94

Grischuk has said that he wants to kill classical chess--hence his nickname "the undertaker."  Why would you promote someone who wants to end your sport?