Anybody here still enjoy those older dedicated chess computers?

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Appreciate the feedback chessroboto #211 . I am also allergic to 2D screens. On this site I settled for 3D in settings with green and white tournament board - works for me. I found most issues with the 1650 could be resolved by keeping the batteries well charged and turning off the sound - battery hungry. It also involved investing in some rechargeable batteries for those long level 7 epic duels. I can think of no better training technique than attempting to win at each level Black then White respectively. For those a little younger and watching your expenditure such a machine improved me enough to win a John Jaques tournament board and pieces in a newspaper puzzles competition and is still my goto working board .

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elilapp wrote:
AlexiZalman wrote:

A good question is, "How best to train with these old chess computers?"

My method is to play a game, do a Stockfish (SF) analysis to find my first poor/weak move, then re-run/set-up the computer to that move and play again with the improvement, rinse and repeat. Eventually you get a very fine and memorable game, in my case this can take 3 or 4 repetitions. I think it's best to set-up the computer strength to be only a few 100 elo rating points above your own. Many of the old chess computers make this whole process quite trivial.

Note, if SF recommends a move/line I would have no hope of playing out I ignore it for a more sensible / human one. Simple fact is at my level, c. 1500, this is good enough giving my likely opponents.

It's a shame that the benefits of these old chess computers appear to be completely ignored nowadays.

one thought on how to use. put the opening on the board to ending variation. then play it. see what the 1800, 2000, computer can do. play it lots of times...so you wont be GM but you will be well versed on 2000 play.

rather than hijack this thread I have re-posted the original question as a new topic.

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One of my favourite engines has always been the 16kb Kaare Danielsen engine originally used in several CXG Newcrest computers like the CXG Super Enterprise or the CXG Chess 3008.

A few years ago, when I owned both machines, I let them play against each other using the different playing styles (normal, aggressive, desperado, and positional) to find out which mode was the strongest (the computing hardware of the two was identical). I didn't finish the duel, but got far enough to say that the "aggressive" style was the strongest.

CXG Chess 3008 vs CXG Super Enterprise

Sample games:

This engine, which also allowed you to enter a limited number of your own openings, was used in many machinese thereafter, but Danielsen's most popular program was a 4kbit version which was the strongest 4kbit chess engine ever created. The 16 kbit version reached ELO 1650 approx. Too bad Danielsen then lost interest in chess programming.
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@chessmaster_diamond Is that how all the wooden dedicated machines suppose to look when they were new back in the 80s? Yours has great contrast and shiny. Definitely eye catching.

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elilapp wrote:

does anyone know of a tasc r40 for sale? i'm a buyer. impossible to find. i would pay a finders fee.

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elilapp wrote:

does anyone know of a tasc r40 for sale? i'm a buyer. impossible to find. i would pay a finders fee.

This may be an alternative - the Millennium Phoenix. I just checked after seeing your post and see that one of its emulations of classic chess computers is the Tasc R40. I would imagine the real deal would cost in the ball park of the Phoenix and you get all the other goodies in it and it is new so no issues with aging electronics.

The Phoenix is a module that connects to Millennium chess boards so you are moving wood pieces on a wood board. There is an LED in each corner of each square and these light up to indicate your move as well as what the Phoenix wants to do. The moves are also on the Phoenix's display. Latest firmware is 4.0E, and includes being able to play remotely on Lichess.com. Updating the Phoenix can be done either by downloading the firmware onto a USB flash drive and plugging directly into the Phoenix or via wifi, which is how I typically do it.

As an aside, the R40 is one chess computer I have long wanted too. Despite owning the Phoenix, I would be sorely tempted if one of these showed up.

Tony

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chessroboto hat geschrieben:

@chessmaster_diamond Is that how all the wooden dedicated machines suppose to look when they were new back in the 80s? Yours has great contrast and shiny. Definitely eye catching.

I purchased both used some years ago. The Super Enterprise on the right suffered dents on the board (previous to me owning it) because the pressure sensors aren't very sensitive. I myself always press the sensors with my index finger to avoid such damage.

The Chess 3008, which I had to sell last years during a cash flow crisis, was indeed in very good shape. It's rarely available, in contrast to the Mephisto Exclusive boards, which is why having to sell it again hurt me a lot.

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chessmaster_diamond wrote:

The Chess 3008, which I had to sell last years during a cash flow crisis, was indeed in very good shape. It's rarely available, in contrast to the Mephisto Exclusive boards, which is why having to sell it again hurt me a lot.

Hopefully the new owner knows what one acquired and has been enjoying it. That was one shiny machine. Neither DGT nor Millennium make wooden chessboards with that quality of sheen.

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Just got my Jade II in the mail today to go with my portables. It's pretty sweet.

my 3 portables from the 90's are

Sapphire I

Travel Champion 2100

Jade II

Im not on the level of you guys but I'm pleased with these.

now need to work on some of the bigger boards you guys are discussing.

I have a Radio Shack 2150, an Obsidian, Millenium Chess Genius, Square off Grand Kingdom, DGT Centaur and a few other lesser ones.

What good older board from the 90's (ish) would you recommend for someone like me who is not the best (15-1600) but loves the game. Older, single, love to play the dedicated boards as my hobby.

Mark

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Hi Mark,

You could try before you buy here:

https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-wonderful-world-of-chess-machine-emulators

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Thank you Matt! I'll check it out. But I'm definately a hands on 3D player. And congrats on getting back to Premier League!

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We didn't - I'm a QPR supporter angry

I lived in Ipswich when I set up the account, hence the name.

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Markp763 wrote:

What good older board from the 90's (ish) would you recommend for someone like me who is not the best (15-1600) but loves the game. Older, single, love to play the dedicated boards as my hobby.

Hello Mark,

I would suggest a Mephisto Milano (or Milano v2/Nigel Short) not only for variety sake (Ed Schröder program) but also for its nice design and features.

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Lol sorry. QPR sure has faltered since last in EPL...I know they fell down table in Championship this year. I'll keep you in mind next season happy.png

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Thx kiwimotard! I'll look into it.

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Absolutely. I bought a Fidelity Chess Challenger recently that I first saw in a JC Penny catalog in the 1980's. Love to kick its ass in closed type games for all the times it beat me when I was younger. I replayed it into chess.com to get a PGN. [Site "Chess.com"] [Date "2020-08-17"] [White "jfq722"] [Black "Opponent"] [Result "1-0"] [Termination "Opponent won by resignation"] 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Bf5 3. d3 e6 4. Nbd2 Nf6 5. Bg2 Nc6 6. O-O e5 7. c4 Bg6 8. Qb3 b6 9. Qb5 Qd7 10. cxd5 Nxd5 11. Nxe5 Nxe5 12. Qxd5 Qxd5 13. Bxd5 Rd8 14. Bg2 Bc5 15. Nb3 Bh5 16. Nxc5 Bxe2 17. Re1 bxc5 18. Rxe2 f6 19. Rxe5+ fxe5 20. Bc6+ Kf7 21. Bb5 Rb8 22. Bc4+ Ke7 23. b3 Kd6 24. f4 Rhe8 25. fxe5+ Kxe5 26. Bf4+ Kd4 27. Kf2 Re7 28. Rc1 Rbe8 29. Rc2 c6 30. Bc1 1-0

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Hi I am trying to research an electronic chess board I picked up yesterday at the thrift store. I am quite good at researching rare items but these old electronic chess boards can really be a tough one it seems, any help or direction would be appreciated. I just picked up a Fidelity Electronics Elite A/S Challenger which does not have very much readily available information. What really confuses me is the model on that back which reads “Model E4.0” and serial number 51350129 this model I can not even find listed or talked about anywhere. Thank you to anyone who has time to help me out on this.

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On Spacious Minds website shows its from 1983 but unfortunately the specific info on that model isnt entered. There are several video on youtube on it under Elite A/S challenger 1983 (hopefully its the one you have). There are some old community post on it if you google (again I may be completely off base but trying Lol). Check youtube.

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Yeah I have not yet watched any YouTube videos but I spent several hours reading past posts from here and any other information I could find through google. I appreciate your time and help though. I guess I will start sifting though the YouTube next.

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Chesty-Morgan wrote:

What really confuses me is the model on that back which reads “Model E4.0” and serial number 51350129 this model I can not even find listed or talked about anywhere. Thank you to anyone who has time to help me out on this.

Hi, this model number indeed belongs to the various ones that labelled the Elite A/S Challenger. You can read a reference to it here. From the S/N pattern, yours was part of a May 15th, 1985 production batch (5 completes the 198x year; 135 is the day within the year, and 0129 is a sequential number within the batch). From the production date I would guess it is a "Glasgow" program, but I let you double check.