Can chess books be outdated?

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Overlyunskilled

I was a regular poker player for a time (before i stopped and invested more time in chess). Before i coached myself (a little) i used to read a lot of poker book (and watched tons of videos). I loved it. But there were clearly some that were outdated since players don't play the same way than they used to (it changed a lot). In fact, tendencies tend to change every year or even every 6 month (depending stake you play).


I was wondering if it goes the same with chess books. I think, for instance of book like "My system" which also comes back in threads. Considered as a classic, can it be outdated? Since sooo many chess book on the same subject appeared between then and now.

notmtwain
Overlyunskilled wrote:

I was a regular poker player for a time (before i stopped and invested more time in chess). Before i coached myself (a little) i used to read a lot of poker book (and watched tons of videos). I loved it. But there were clearly some that were outdated since players don't play the same way than they used to (it changed a lot). In fact, tendencies tend to change every year or even every 6 month (depending stake you play).


I was wondering if it goes the same with chess books. I think, for instance of book like "My system" which also comes back in threads. Considered as a classic, can it be outdated? Since sooo many chess book on the same subject appeared between then and now.

Of course some things become dated. However, if you understand the concepts in "My System", you will still be able to beat 99% of the people you play. 

Many people still find a lot of value in classics like "My System".  There was a new translation of it published last year which in which the games can be read on a computer. (Sherwood was the translator.)

If you are unwilling to actually buy a current book, you have to take advantage of the things you can get for free, like the 100 year old versions in German and descriptive notation available online.  

You said several weeks ago you hadn't read any chess books at all. You need to stop thinking about it and start reading.

Overlyunskilled

It's interesting to see that most advice given in 1925 are still very much applicable. There was a time some advice given in a chess book of, let's say 2006 aren't doable in risk to not adapting to some tendencies.

 

If you refer about my post of "best books of 2017-18" I meant that I haven't read any of the book that came out this year. I've read Pandolfinis weapon of chess, seirawans strategy, started amateur mind and I have 2 tactic puzzle books wink.png 

kindaspongey

One can get some idea of the lasting scope of the respect for My System by looking at:
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-best-chess-books-ever
Still, it might be noted that My System apparently did not occur to GM Yasser Seirawan as something to include in his list of personal favorites, and Aaron Nimzowitsch was not identified by the GM as a very worthy author.
Also, My System has accumulated some direct negative commentary over the years.
"... I found [the books of Aaron Nimzowitsch to be] very difficult to read or understand. ... [Nimzowitsch: A Reappraisal by Raymond Keene explains his] thinking and influence on the modern game in a far more lucid and accessible way. ... The books that are most highly thought of are not necessarily the most useful. Go with those that you find to be readable; ..." - GM Nigel Davies (2010)
In 2016, IM pfren wrote:
"My System is an iconoclastic book. A lot of things in there is sheer provocation, and it does need an expereienced player to know what exactly must be taken at its face value.
I love 'My System', and I have read it cover to cover one dozen times, but suggesting it to a class player is an entirely different matter."
"[Some things] ARE wrong, and it's not easy for a non-advanced player to discover those wrong claims.
Nigel Short has claimed that 'My System' should be banned. Stratos Grivas says that the book is very bad. I don't share their opinion, but I am pretty sure that there are more useful reads for class players out there."
Although he is a fan of My System, IM John Watson similarly acknowledged (2013) that:
"... Not everything in it has stood the test of time, ..."
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/john-watson-book-review-108-of-eplus-books-part-2-nimzowitsch-classics
One last point to keep in mind is that, even if My System would eventually help a player, it might not necessarily be helpful to a player now.
"... Just because a book contains lots of information that you don’t know, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be extremely helpful in making you better at this point in your chess development. ..." - Dan Heisman (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
A My System sample can be seen at:
https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/MySystem-excerpt.pdf

SeniorPatzer

Opening books can get outdated.   

macer75

Yes, absolutely. I have a friend who ate one a month or so past its expiration date, and ended up with a serious case of food poisoning.

yureesystem

 Logical Move by Move by Chernev is still viable and better then any modern chess books; from Chernev's books you get good basics chess principles that you can use for your entire life. Anything from Nimzovitch is worth getting; My System;For advance player The Blockade and Chess Praxis is invaluable. I know a very strong FM who review Chess Praxis and Blockade every year, no wonder why he is very strong master. One the best middlegame book is Modern Chess Strategy by Pachman, no modern chess book can even come close to give clear middlegame concepts like Pachman. One of the best tactical book is 1001 Chess combination and sacrifice from Reinfeld. The classic chess books are indispensable and are better than any modern chess books; like Keres's endgame book. happy.png  

 

What today chess amateurs want is someone to spoon feed them and make it super easy to understand; are we becoming dumber than past amateurs that actually learn from these books and some them becoming master, IM and GM. Petrosian became a GM from Nimzovitch's books; 

kindaspongey
yureesystem wrote:

 Logical Move by Move by Chernev is still viable and better then any modern chess books; from Chernev's books you get good basics chess principles that you can use for your entire life. ...

One can see some discussion of the pros and cons of Chernev's Logical Chess at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132019/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman118.pdf
http://exeterchessclub.org.uk/content/logical-chernev
http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2013/01/logical-chess-book-review.html
http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2013/02/chernevs-errors.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104437/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/logichess.pdf
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/assorted-recent-books
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708091057/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review465.pdf

kindaspongey
 
yureesystem wrote:

... The classic chess books are indispensable and are better than any modern chess books; like Keres's endgame book. happy.png  

What today chess amateurs want is someone to spoon feed them and make it super easy to understand; ...

Is the Keres book in print at this time? Various endgame study possibilities discussed at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review594.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7742.pdf

https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-winning-chess-endings

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105702/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review645.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9026.pdf

http://chessimprover.com/averbakhs-chess-endings-essential-knowledge/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708234309/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review704.pdf
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Understanding_Chess_Endgames.pdf
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/chess-endgames-for-kids/
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Chess_Endgames_for_Kids.pdf
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/endings-endings-endings
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/the-end-game-comes-before-we-know-it
http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/theres-an-end-to-it-all

Understandably, readers vary with regard to how much explanation they require. It strikes me as a good thing that there are now a greater variety of options available. Before buying any particular book, I suggest going to the publisher site to see if it is possible to view a sample.

jambyvedar

My System is  a great book. But this book is not ideal for beginners. A good first chess book is The Complete Idiot's Guide to Chess, World Champion's Guide to Chess or Play Winning Chess.

ThrillerFan

It depends on the genre of the book.

 

A collection of Capablanca's Games will never be outdated.  Someone might find an error in the analysis, and you have to be aware of that, but your game won't go stale from studying the games of Capablanca or Steinitz or anyone else from yesteryear.

 

Tactics books tend to not go out of date.  A fork will always be a fork.  A pin will always be a pin.  The same can be said for a skewer, a decoy, an x-ray, or interference.  Are there more recent examples?  Sure!  But a 1950 Tactics book is not going to give you bad advice.

 

The same can also be said for endgames.  Doesn't matter if it's 1892 or 2017.  WKe6, WPe5, BKe8 will always be a win for White no matter who is to move.  WKe5, WPe4, BKe7 will always be a win with Black to move and will always be a draw with White to move (this of course assumes best play by both sides).

 

As SeniorPatzer already said though, many opening books can easily become outdated.  A lot depends on the nature of the opening.  Openings with a ton of theory that are also sharp, like the Dragon, the theory will change constantly because someone finds an idea that completely flips the assessment.  For openings with less theory, like the Colle System, Koltanowski Variation, an older opening book will probably have far fewer errors in it.

 

The other thing that can sometimes become dated, depending on how it is written, are certain strategy books.  For example, I forget which author it was, but back in the 80s, there was one that encouraged players to write down their move first, then think about it, and only then make the move.  Since then, that has become viewed as note taking or an aid, and has since been banned.

 

So can a chess book become dated?  The best answer I can give is "It depends on the book!"

Ronbo710

Books on variations will usually have some ideas that can be refuted new or old.

kindaspongey

Over the years, it has become somewhat more common to do computer-checking. For older stuff, refutations may have a better chance of being well known.

kindaspongey

About half a century ago, I think the Fine book, Ideas Behind the Chess Openings, was considered to be nearly essential reading, but now, I fear that its information is seriously out-of-date.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708112658/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review315.pdf