Chess Empire Chavet B210 Repro different woods incoming!

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I have seen no mention of SC's set on this forum, though it likely is somewhere. I notice it is stained and is taller with a smaller base than the TCE set. It is also less expensive. Any thoughts?  Staunton Castle Chavet

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Looks like your linked SC Chavet is sold out. Was it in stock 30 mins ago? Taller with a smaller base usually results in less stability. A few millimeters here and there, are we splitting hairs at this point? 

The SC Knight beady little eyes seem misplaced. The RCM, SC & CB Knight "chest" area doesn't have that nice slope resulting in a stockier body and the corresponding change to the shape of the Knight head. 

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@Pawnerai. SC was sold out when I posted. But the company generally replenishes and Mandeep certainly will always sell Chavet sets. Anyway, your post was very helpful. For this set, it looks like TCE is the winner. Thank you for taking the time to post the photos as you did.

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Krames wrote:
I’m ordering the rosewood today. Thank you for all the emails and you the time you took to answer my questions. I’m very excited about this new set.

Good call on the Rosewood. It's a much safer choice. The Padauk looks pretty red. Nothing wrong with red, just be sure it's the right shade of red. But then again,,, you can never really tell with these TCE photos / screenshots. Not a risk I'd be comfortable taking when the Padauk is $350.

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TheOneCalledMichael wrote:

I agree with mister buddy. I'm lucky to find some originals but still waiting for the 2000 B210 to fall on my lap.

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I wish I had your luck! Haha! Nice collection Michael.

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MCH818 wrote:
RichardHG wrote:

I have seen no mention of SC's set on this forum, though it likely is somewhere. I notice it is stained and is taller with a smaller base than the TCE set. It is also less expensive. Any thoughts?  Staunton Castle Chavet

I believe the SC was discussed in other threads. Here is one where @Audioq compared all available versions at that time against a vintage Chavet B210: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chavet-b210-reproduction The consensus was the TCE version was closest to the original version. Unless the sets were side by side TCE and Chavet, the only way I could tell know the TCE one was not real is by the wood. Jurawood has a lot of swirls in it.

Sigh. That discussion was helpful - until it devolved into other issues. So I see no choice but to go with the (more expensive) TCE. 😀 At least I will not worry about the quality of the TCE product (nor would I with SC).

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RichardHG wrote:

I have seen no mention of SC's set on this forum, though it likely is somewhere. I notice it is stained and is taller with a smaller base than the TCE set. It is also less expensive. Any thoughts?  Staunton Castle Chavet

Despite their lack of responsiveness at the time (not sure if Mandeep is still struggling) and my failed attempts to cancel the order, I now *adore* the set I bought back in 2020 before the price hike. To my eyes, my set looks as good or better than pretty much any photos I've seen of other Chavet sets. Highly recommended if you can deal with iffy support.

FWIW, my SC knight looks more similar to the TCE knight. It most certainly does NOT look like the one in this SC photo:Bad angle but it's all I have handy right now:

That weirdly shaped knight in the SC photo was the reason I had tried to cancel it in the first place but thankfully it didn't arrive that way!

That said, I still want a new TCE set and I still want to commission them to make me a 3" king version (Rishi quoted $600). grin.png

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Thanks for posting a good photo. Very different. As is your CB Dubrovnik 3.0 knight. I guess none of the Indian manufacturers post good photos. Most of Chess by India's photos are so horrid that I decided not to buy a set I was looking at on their site. They had what I think was the same set on Etsy and CBI's own web site but they looked like different sets. Their boxwood appears in about 5 different colors (at least I think each is supposed to be boxwood).

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In all the reproductions they have got the knight and head of the bishop wrong. RCM’s one seems the worst version of Henry Chavet original set. 

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I found this video online of the TCE set as of October 2020. I thought the video useful in providing good shots of the pieces from all angles. The video gets tedious and you might want to skip back and forth. I think the color balance is likely off a bit but it gave me a much clearer idea of what to expect, especially for the knight. TCE 2020 Chavet set

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After reading this thread, I have ordered Chavet in Rosewood. It is my first experience with TCE, and, frankly speaking, I expected more. Unfortunately, although the carving quality is not bad, the processing is poor.

Problems:
1. Mold on the white king (QC-?)

2. White queens differ in the shape of the crown.

3. Both white knights have some unlacquered places.

And in general, the white army has a slightly green tint. So it is unlikely that I will leave this set in my collection.

 

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@olegershov  Damn. That's terrible. I don't think I've ever seen mold on chess pieces before. I wouldn't have believed it without a photo.

There are other issues like raw wood(?) on white Rook tops. Heavy black stain(?) on rosewood Rook tops. Tool marks at the base of both King crosses. Is that mold as well on the black King crown top? And this is only from the few photos you posted.

Sorry for piling on, but if you are going to contact Chess Empire and complain, you should make it a comprehensive list of issues for them to make right.

Those carving issues on the Queen crown and King cross are clearly rookie mistakes made by inexperienced carvers. Missed lacquer under the Knight chin, is also a rookie mistake by another worker. Fine, mistakes happen. Humans are not robots. But that's why there should be quality control. To catch these things. But from what I see, it looks like there's zero quality control at TCE. As a business practice, there should be barcodes on these sets, so you know when they were made, who was responsible, and correct the issue with more training.

@Krames I hope you have better luck with the Chess Empire Chavet Rosewood set you ordered (Post #30). "Luck" being the operative word seeing as how Chess Empire quality control nowadays is non-existent. 

@TCE-Rishi, raise your standards. I'm seeing bare minimum quality standards here. There is no way a $300usd set should look like this. 

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@olegershov - that’s a real shame and it does appear to be an issue with quality control. This would be frustrating even if the pieces were cheap - but actually - these pieces are priced at the top end for a Chavet repro and a relatively simply design at that. I hope your issues are resolved. Poor quality is self-evident but when matched with a consumer’s high expectations set by marketing and other channels - it’s doubly frustrating.
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Please do document, document, document and contact them for a full replacement.  And let us know how that goes - we're always interested in how (and how quickly) quality issues are addressed (along with how much they have to be harangued).

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+1 on all above. This is not even remotely acceptable. I would not even accept it even if it was 100 USD set, let alone 300 USD. I also heard the quality TCE makes but this is far off the mark.

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@TheOneCalledMichael  If possible, you should edit your first post in this thread. Add a warning and refer readers to Post #55. Big and bold on the first line of your first posting until this is resolved. I'm so tired of this.

**UPDATE WARNING** Unacceptable quality control issues at The Chess Empire. See Post #55.

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My experience with TCE has been very good on the whole , With the slight nudge email wise !

As for the standard of the white side this is very poor workmanship on offer .

How is the dark side of the set is there any  blemish ?

I Hope TCE works it out with you  quickly .

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Pawnerai wrote:

@TheOneCalledMichael  If possible, you should edit your first post in this thread. Add a warning and refer readers to Post #55. Big and bold on the first line of your first posting until this is resolved. I'm so tired of this.

**UPDATE WARNING** Unacceptable quality control issues at The Chess Empire. See Post #55.

I understand but this could be an incident case because I've never heard TCE is delivering sloppy quality before. If I put this in first post and bold letters it would insinuating TCE is always like this.  I'd give them benefit of the doubt and this is just an isolated case.

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TheOneCalledMichael wrote:

+1 on all above. This is not even remotely acceptable. I would not even accept it even if it was 100 USD set, let alone 300 USD. I also heard the quality TCE makes but this is far off the mark.

+1 to the +1. I'm stunned, quite frankly, considering the reputation and price point. Thank you *very much*, @olegershov, for sharing! Great clear photos, btw.

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TheOneCalledMichael wrote:
Pawnerai wrote:

@TheOneCalledMichael  If possible, you should edit your first post in this thread. Add a warning and refer readers to Post #55. Big and bold on the first line of your first posting until this is resolved. I'm so tired of this.

**UPDATE WARNING** Unacceptable quality control issues at The Chess Empire. See Post #55.

I understand but this could be an incident case because I've never heard TCE is delivering sloppy quality before. If I put this in first post and bold letters it would insinuating TCE is always like this.  I'd give them benefit of the doubt and this is just an isolated case.

Very fair point Mr Michael , Look's more like a prototype that got put into the Mix ? Still way below TCE standard , which never should have been sent ?