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Hello chess friends,

While surfing the internet, I came across some photos of old gentlemen playing chess with what seems like an obscure version of Dubrovnik pieces. Has anyone seen this version before?


Source: 123rf.com

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Seems like a crude 1950 Dubrovnik. I own a Standard Dubrovnik which have a German style Knight. The Queen looks like it has a gear cog for a crown. This is what my Dubrovnik set looks like. 

 

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These sets were produced in recent years, say five years ago by the Subozan Company in Subotica, Serbia. It's a somewhat crude variant of the Dubrovnik, cheap wood, budget finishing. The knight is crude, the queen has barely any notches in the crown, king and rook are way too thin. Pawns too slim at the base.
 
It's a budget mass produced set with little consideration of aesthetics, playability, legacy. 
 
-Izmet Fekali
 
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ifekali wrote:
These sets were produced in recent years, say five years ago by the Subozan Company in Subotica, Serbia. It's a somewhat crude variant of the Dubrovnik, cheap wood, budget finishing. The knight is crude, the queen has barely any notches in the crown, king and rook are way too thin. Pawns too slim at the base.
 
It's a budget mass produced set with little consideration of aesthetics, playability, legacy. 
 
-Izmet Fekali
 

Mass produced only five years ago? That is recent indeed. Thought it might have been made during Yugoslavia-era. Thank you for sharing this info (and other wealth of info) on Dubrovnik chess pieces, Izmet. 

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KnightsForkCafe wrote:

Seems like a crude 1950 Dubrovnik. I own a Standard Dubrovnik which have a German style Knight. The Queen looks like it has a gear cog for a crown. This is what my Dubrovnik set looks like. 

 

 

Hi KnightsForkCafe, that is an interesting set you have there, though I'm hesitant to call it a "Standard Dubrovnik" when it doesn't have a Dubrovnik styled knight. Still an interesting set...

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zagryan wrote:
KnightsForkCafe wrote:

Seems like a crude 1950 Dubrovnik. I own a Standard Dubrovnik which have a German style Knight. The Queen looks like it has a gear cog for a crown. This is what my Dubrovnik set looks like. 

 

 

Hi KnightsForkCafe, that is an interesting set you have there, though I'm hesitant to call it a "Standard Dubrovnik" when it doesn't have a Dubrovnik styled knight. Still an interesting set...

Where I bought the set from that is what they call it. If you watch the YouTube channel Balkan Chess. You will see the same set used in tournaments. I guess they call it Standard since it is all over the Balkans in chess tournaments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCtuPLw9_bc

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Yes I agree that your set is definitely better looking set. I can find it but kind of hard to order it. Could you send me a link that is easier to order from the USA? 

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OK. I bought mine from chessgamesshop.com I will check back from time to time.

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South East Asian reproduction set - brand new for sale. Board and clock not included, King 3.8".

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Chessoholicar wrote: One more thing. I see in one picture that this set has red felt. Subozan put red felt only on special sets. Sets made specially for strong tournaments or as a gift to business friends maybe prizes at tournaments ...

Now I know the meaning behind certain felt colors on certain pieces. Thanks for this tip.

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Chessoholicar wrote:

It looks like Subozan set. I think this set is from 80's. You can see a lot of similarities with my Subozan sets from 90's: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/subozan-dubrovniks  But the set You shared looks slightly better quality and older than mine sets.

Subozan set seems to underline the notion that the distinctive feature of the Dubrovnik design is the opposite colored finials on the bishops. Up to now, I had assumed it was the trojan-horse-like knights or the absence of religious symbols.

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pfudie wrote:

South East Asian reproduction set - brand new for sale. Board and clock not included, King 3.8".

Is that a Fide Pinoy Dubrovnik made in the Philippines? 

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No.  

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Hello chess friends,

Pardon me if you have already seen these photos but I came across a photo and video of late GM Svetozar Gligorić with what appears to be a Dubrovnik 1950 chess set. Is this an original or a repro by Noj?

http://web.chessdailynews.com/svetozar-gligoric-legacy/

https://youtu.be/SbMhDaEKW6Y

 

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I believe that is an original 1950 Olympiad set.  Izmet has pictures of an original set that a GM who played in the Olympiad had.  These are on his site, www.bestchessmenever.com

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Nope
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He indeed received an original in 1950, but Svetozar was never a chess set enthusiast and he may (I heard it from one source only) had given that one to Bobby Fischer. For example, he traded away his big Fidel Castro Staunton set (with Slovenian GM Bruno Parma) on the same day it was gifted to him at the end of the Cuban Olympiad. It was too big a box for him to carry home to Belgrade.

His Dubrovnik above is a modern variant made in Subotica, probably around year 2000-2010, mass produced with simplified knights. Check out the *painted* finials on bishops, the colors don't even match.

-Izmet Fekali

 

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See post #11.

You can message me for details of price and shipping.

 

 

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@ifekali - Thank you for identifying the pieces that they are made in Subotica and for providing additional information regarding Svetozar's lack of enthusiasm for chess sets. In retrospect, I noticed Subotica knight is missing the eyes, confirming their simplicity as you have pointed out.