The Irish gambit in the Veresov. Not very common. Seems fine enough, sort of.
The Irish gambit in the Veresov. Not very common. Seems fine enough, sort of.
Thank you Dizindo07!
i have not seen quite but by looking at the opening i can guess that this will require lot of studying of this type of opening but i dont feel it may be good because ur king is opened and then ur opponent will take advantage of ur open king thanks
Looks like white is playing a reversed chigorin. Could be dangerous for black since white has an extra tempo
Reminds me of the Latvian Gambit a bit
Yes that's why I played it 'cuz I'ma Latvian player. I love me some unsound gambits!
Reminds me of the Latvian Gambit a bit
Not really. Yeah it looks like a mirrored Latvian Gambit but the games are completely different. It can be kind of hard to open up the position and I've seen some games where black ends up having a pawn structure similar to something from the Caro-Kann. Don't expect anything wild or overly aggressive especially from black.
Reminds me of the Latvian Gambit a bit
Not really. Yeah it looks like a mirrored Latvian Gambit but the games are completely different. It can be kind of hard to open up the position and I've seen some games where black ends up having a pawn structure similar to something from the Caro-Kann. Don't expect anything wild or overly aggressive especially from black.
Okay, So you think I should play this opening solid? I'm tipicly an attacking player.
Reminds me of the Latvian Gambit a bit
Not really. Yeah it looks like a mirrored Latvian Gambit but the games are completely different. It can be kind of hard to open up the position and I've seen some games where black ends up having a pawn structure similar to something from the Caro-Kann. Don't expect anything wild or overly aggressive especially from black.
Okay, So you think I should play this opening solid? I'm tipicly an attacking player.
It doesn't look like you're going to have some attacking chances. But again it's a very rare opening and I don't know much about it.
its a completely fine line by black, and it may very well be the fastest way to equalize.
i think the reason this move is so annoying for a lot of Veserov players is that they must deviate from their usual plans. 3.bg5?! is not that useful a move anymore. You often get white trying to transpose to a sort of Chigorin defense a move up but it simply doesnt flesh out that way if black plays it right. For example:
1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.bg5?! f6 4. bh4 cxd4 5. qxd4 e6 6. e4 (the bland 6. e3 may very well be better here) nc6 7. bb5 bd7 and black is simply better.
White really has two main replies. 3.bf4 or 3.e4. (3.nf3 is just a Marshall defense a move up, but clearly inferior, 3. e3 is ok, but really passive and not harmonious with nc3, perhaps other sidelines that waste a tempo may give a chigorin defense a move up so they may be playable.)
3.bf4 lines will play like Jobava system but its somewhat tricky to play because different move orders and formations by black lead to white needing to find many nuanced replies to each. For example, white needs to know when an early nb5 is warranted or when dxc5 is a good move and when it isnt. White also needs to make other big nuanced decisions, like whether to play nf3 or early f3, whether or not to castle 0-0-0, whether you can get away with an e4 thrust despite usually having already played e3 first , the proper defense to an attack on the b2 pawn etc. Usually people that play 2.nc3 aiming for a Jobava attack are comfortable with these nuances, but Veserov players may not be.
3. e4 is completely different and can lead to some messy positions. (unless black makes the strategical error of trying to transpose to some subpar variation of the french). For example
1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.e4 dxe5 (cxd5?! is just a chigorin on steroids) 4. d5 (nge2 may also be an option) nf6 5.bf4 a6 and you have in your hands a very rich mess in your hands. White here is at crossroads, and can try many things like gambitting with 6.f3!? or 6.qd2 or 6.nge2. Black may actually be slightly better but it is by no means a clean confortable advantage for black and that d5 pawn is very annoying. The main problem with all of this though, its that is a bit more chaotic than what even Veserov players are accustomed to.
So here you have a variation that practically forces Veserov players to go completely out of their confort zone to get a good game!
its a completely fine line by black, and it may very well be the fastest way to equalize.
i think the reason this move is so annoying for a lot of Veserov players is that they must deviate from their usual plans. 3.bg5?! is not that useful a move anymore. You often get white trying to transpose to a sort of Chigorin defense a move up but it simply doesnt flesh out that way if black plays it right. For example:
1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.bg5?! f6 4. bh4 cxd4 5. qxd4 e6 6. e4 (the bland 6. e3 may very well be better here) nc6 7. bb5 bd7 and black is simply better.
White really has two main replies. 3.bf4 or 3.e4. (3.nf3 is just a Marshall defense a move up, but clearly inferior, 3. e3 is ok, but really passive and not harmonious with nc3, perhaps other sidelines that waste a tempo may give a chigorin defense a move up so they may be playable.)
3.bf4 lines will play like Jobava system but its somewhat tricky to play because different move orders and formations by black lead to white needing to find many nuanced replies to each. For example, white needs to know when an early nb5 is warranted or when dxc5 is a good move and when it isnt. White also needs to make other big nuanced decisions, like whether to play nf3 or early f3, whether or not to castle 0-0-0, whether you can get away with an e4 thrust despite usually having already played e3 first , the proper defense to an attack on the b2 pawn etc. Usually people that play 2.nc3 aiming for a Jobava attack are comfortable with these nuances, but Veserov players may not be.
3. e4 is completely different and can lead to some messy positions. (unless black makes the strategical error of trying to transpose to some subpar variation of the french). For example
1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.e4 dxe5 (cxd5?! is just a chigorin on steroids) 4. d5 (nge2 may also be an option) nf6 5.bf4 a6 and you have in your hands a very rich mess in your hands. White here is at crossroads, and can try many things like gambitting with 6.f3!? or 6.qd2 or 6.nge2. Black may actually be slightly better but it is by no means a clean confortable advantage for black and that d5 pawn is very annoying. The main problem with all of this though, its that is a bit more chaotic than what even Veserov players are accustomed to.
So here you have a variation that practically forces Veserov players to go completely out of their confort zone to get a good game!
Thanks darkunorthodox88! I think I'm doing much better in the game after they played dxc5. I'll defeantly try this gambit again if I find any one who opens with d4 d5 Nc3
its a completely fine line by black, and it may very well be the fastest way to equalize.
i think the reason this move is so annoying for a lot of Veserov players is that they must deviate from their usual plans. 3.bg5?! is not that useful a move anymore. You often get white trying to transpose to a sort of Chigorin defense a move up but it simply doesnt flesh out that way if black plays it right. For example:
1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.bg5?! f6 4. bh4 cxd4 5. qxd4 e6 6. e4 (the bland 6. e3 may very well be better here) nc6 7. bb5 bd7 and black is simply better.
White really has two main replies. 3.bf4 or 3.e4. (3.nf3 is just a Marshall defense a move up, but clearly inferior, 3. e3 is ok, but really passive and not harmonious with nc3, perhaps other sidelines that waste a tempo may give a chigorin defense a move up so they may be playable.)
3.bf4 lines will play like Jobava system but its somewhat tricky to play because different move orders and formations by black lead to white needing to find many nuanced replies to each. For example, white needs to know when an early nb5 is warranted or when dxc5 is a good move and when it isnt. White also needs to make other big nuanced decisions, like whether to play nf3 or early f3, whether or not to castle 0-0-0, whether you can get away with an e4 thrust despite usually having already played e3 first , the proper defense to an attack on the b2 pawn etc. Usually people that play 2.nc3 aiming for a Jobava attack are comfortable with these nuances, but Veserov players may not be.
3. e4 is completely different and can lead to some messy positions. (unless black makes the strategical error of trying to transpose to some subpar variation of the french). For example
1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.e4 dxe5 (cxd5?! is just a chigorin on steroids) 4. d5 (nge2 may also be an option) nf6 5.bf4 a6 and you have in your hands a very rich mess in your hands. White here is at crossroads, and can try many things like gambitting with 6.f3!? or 6.qd2 or 6.nge2. Black may actually be slightly better but it is by no means a clean confortable advantage for black and that d5 pawn is very annoying. The main problem with all of this though, its that is a bit more chaotic than what even Veserov players are accustomed to.
So here you have a variation that practically forces Veserov players to go completely out of their confort zone to get a good game!
Thanks darkunorthodox88! I think I'm doing much better in the game after they played dxc5. I'll defeantly try this gambit again if I find any one who opens with d4 d5 Nc3
you have found someone ![]()
Its ok for white, but black is also looking good after nbd7. In fact, the engine prefers black. But like i said, these are messy lines and familiarity will matter a lot more than the objective eval.
as for 1.d4 d5 2.nc3 c5 3.bf4 cxd4 4.qxd4 nf6 5.e4 is fun. for example 5.e4 nc6 6.bb5 bd7 6.bxc6 bxc6 7.e5 and if nd7 8.e6!? fxe6 nf3 looks uncomfortable for black. if 7.e5 ne4, then e6 as well, if fxe6 nge2, or if qb6, QxQ axb6 exf7 kxf7 nxe4. just looks nicer for white.
P.S actually, even better than 5.e4 . Play instead 5.Bxb8! rxb8 6.0-0-0! (Qxa8 is ok, but not as good) , with e4 coming next, with a big advantage.
3. e4 does look good, Mr. Fish
says it's the best move. But I would probably respond with 3... e6 how would you play against that?
3. e4 does look good, Mr. Fish says it's the best move. But I would probably respond with 3... e6 how would you play against that?
Isn’t 4. exd5 exd5 5. dxc5 just crushing for white? I thought that was French knowledge.
3. e4 does look good, Mr. Fish says it's the best move. But I would probably respond with 3... e6 how would you play against that?
This sensible looking move is actually terrible. White can play exd5 exd5, and either just take dxc5 and hold the pawn for too long with be3 or play bb5+ qe2+ fast development ideas (sometimes with dxc5 also thrown in).
e6 looks like some transposition to the french, but you get a bad position out of it if white recognizes that its not.
https://www.chess.com/blog/Select_Chicken/would-this-gambit-work
Does this opening work as black?