1 e4 d5 2 anything other than exd5

How can you say after 5 moves, that Black is probably winning? 

I have scores about 60% winnings with this variation in OTB matches and 55% wins and 18% losses here on chess.com in 11 CC matches.

Even when you take a look at the master games in the chess.com database you will find a ratio of 62.5% winnings for white vs. 33.3% losses (24 matches in database).

Not that bad for such a crappy opening...

I didnt said, that i have winning position after 5.fxe4, but to speak of a probably lost position for white is really bullshit...

Look at the position a few moves later after 6...Nxc3.

White is a pawn down, but has control of the center, a half-open b- and f-file and a lead in development, while the whole black army is still completely in the garage.

I think this is minimum worth a pawn if you dont act like a peanut counter on the chess board.

Only ex presidents?

Most of the actual republican candidates still swear, that climate change is a fiction of weird scientists and activists...

Both were crazy apparently.

Btw. the King's Indian, Four Pawns Attack is a crushing weapon nowadays, obviously.

The value assigned to a piece attempts to represent the potential strength of the piece in the game. As the game develops, the relative values of the pieces will also change. A bishop positioned to control long, open diagonal spaces is usually more valuable than a knight stuck in a corner. Similar ideas apply to placing rooks on open files and knights on active, central squares. There's nothing wrong with placing your knight onto c6, g6 comes to mind later on.

I am confused on why people are playing 4...Bf5?

I have always played 4...exf3.

I like the black position.

Maybe white can play different moves.

You can ask for a caro kan transposition with Nc3

The French and the Spanish are even less popular so I switched from a less popular to a lesser popular. But, how about 1.g3? :)

Its the starting position Bogolujobow-variation, which i rareley meet in the BDG, although i dont understand that, because its one of the few variations in the BDG, where black can serious counterplay, both sides have to play very accurate.

Whites plan is to get the dark squared bishop to h6 (to get rid of the defender on g7, the queen to h4 first and then often using the f-file to sacrifice a rook versus a knight, to remove another defender on the king side.

Black can get a good counterplay in the centre...most positions are unclear (with one side to blunder early).

Hey Ponz, you are a serious expert in the Ponziani-opening and a good chess player in general, but it seems you know little of the BDG (so as i know a little about the Ponziani).

If Black tries to be a pawn up, he gets a very unsafe king position, which gives white good play.

Or you give the pawn back and its material equal for development, but i also dont see a black advantage in this variation...its quite equal at least (although i woild still prefer to play white in the below mentioned diagram)

OK, you are right...5...g6 is the starting position of the Bogoljubow, i only played a couple of games versus it, with mixed results.

6.Bc4 Bg7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Qe1 is the main line for sure and i dont think it makes much sense for both sides to deviate from it.

an important line is with o-o-o so it really does matter

I just spook the other they with a friend of mine. We ended up in a blind alley.

Dark Falcon are you arguing that black has no objective advantage in the BDG or just practical? I'm sure the former is wrong.

Till now i didnt saw any convincing refutation, where White is lost by force, so maybe the worst that can happen is, that black is getting maybe a =+ position on a full board with absolut perfect play from both sides.

But this is theoretical, cause in a practical match, that never happened to me. For sure i lost matches in the BDG, but i never got out of the opening with a lost positon.

So that isnt scaring me too much... 

Thats what ive said before...personally i like the Teichmann, the Vienna or Euwe variations a lot more than the Bogo, because its really complicating for both sides, in other variations its easier to play for attack, because the attack plans are straight forward. In the Bogo black has lots of counterplay and isnt forced to stay passive and hold the pawn, hoping to survive the middlegame.

Hey Pfren!

Thanks for the advice...as i only have the Scheerer book, he only mentioned 10...e6 as a sideline and after 11.Rad1 he only gave 11...Bxf3 instead of yours 11...Ne7, which looks pretty good concerning the d5 and f5 squares and to give the knight a more active position on the kingside than on c6.

Dark Falcon 

Yes, you are right, i havent mentioned 9...Rb8...

What happens after i take on a7 or pin the knight on c6?

A good move, but not better than 9...Bxc2 or Bd6.

Position will be still equal as in the other options, but iam only an amateur, so maybe you can show me the whole line with Rb8, which looks quite interesting.