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kareldevries wrote:
Everybody has a right to have an opinion. I didn't say it was a fact, I didn't say is was the one and only truth, I didn't force my opinion up to anyone or told you to have the same opinion.

So what is your problem with me having an opinion you don't agree ?

 

My problem is when you tell other people in the range of 1400 to 2000 that they can do better playing the BDG vs Traditional Lines.

I believe saying stuff like that can be misleading to people.

A lot of title players tell players to play Traditional lines.

Now you are telling them not too!

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X_PLAYER_J_X escribió:
kareldevries wrote:
Everybody has a right to have an opinion. I didn't say it was a fact, I didn't say is was the one and only truth, I didn't force my opinion up to anyone or told you to have the same opinion.

So what is your problem with me having an opinion you don't agree ?

 

My problem is when you tell other people in the range of 1400 to 2000 that they can do better playing the BDG vs Traditional Lines.

I believe saying stuff like that can be misleading to people.

A lot of title players tell players to play Traditional lines.

Now you are telling them not too!

 The only defense to e4 is Nf6, the sicilian (sadly I dont care Fischer used it), caro kann, or any other "classical defense" can't stand against the development of a knight on the first move.

according to that logic, a knight simply can't stand against the storm of pawns (e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4)

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You use harsh words with misleading.

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And what about Darwin?
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I was lucky enough then, and it was played by a lot of chess engines. A correspondence chess game. Not to mention that 1...Nc6 makes sense as well, nothing wrong with it either.

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Chivas610 hat geschrieben:
Dark_Falcon wrote:
kareldevries hat geschrieben:

Chivas,

 

I will follow 011's rules:

 

 

you are asking for rule number 3 and 4

 

After 4 .. Bf5!!!!

the best option for white is

5 g4 Bc8

6 g5 Ng8

7 f*e e6

white will need all the luck of the world to draw

 


5.g4 is not a good choice in this variation, 5.fxe4 is much better in my opinion, Black is under pressure from the beginning and has to play very carefully, otherwise he will get crushed.

There is probably several moves black - and white - can go for. 6...Nxc3 looks also viable.

In a CC game I'm pretty sure black has nothing to fear, and is probably winning, but it's clear that black need to be a bit careful OTB.

How can you say after 5 moves, that Black is probably winning? 

I have scores about 60% winnings with this variation in OTB matches and 55% wins and 18% losses here on chess.com in 11 CC matches.

Even when you take a look at the master games in the chess.com database you will find a ratio of 62.5% winnings for white vs. 33.3% losses (24 matches in database).

Not that bad for such a crappy opening...

I didnt said, that i have winning position after 5.fxe4, but to speak of a probably lost position for white is really bullshit...

Look at the position a few moves later after 6...Nxc3.

White is a pawn down, but has control of the center, a half-open b- and f-file and a lead in development, while the whole black army is still completely in the garage.

I think this is minimum worth a pawn if you dont act like a peanut counter on the chess board.



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kareldevries hat geschrieben:
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You use harsh words with misleading.

Does God exist?
Is science wrong with evolution theory
And what about Darwin?
What about your ex presidents who told that global warming was a ly






Only ex presidents?

Most of the actual republican candidates still swear, that climate change is a fiction of weird scientists and activists...

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Both were crazy apparently.

Btw. the King's Indian, Four Pawns Attack is a crushing weapon nowadays, obviously.


The value assigned to a piece attempts to represent the potential strength of the piece in the game. As the game develops, the relative values of the pieces will also change. A bishop positioned to control long, open diagonal spaces is usually more valuable than a knight stuck in a corner. Similar ideas apply to placing rooks on open files and knights on active, central squares. There's nothing wrong with placing your knight onto c6, g6 comes to mind later on.

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I am confused on why people are playing 4...Bf5?

I have always played 4...exf3.


I like the black position.

Maybe white can play different moves.

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You can ask for a caro kan transposition with Nc3

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The French and the Spanish are even less popular so I switched from a less popular to a lesser popular. But, how about 1.g3? :)

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X_PLAYER_J_X hat geschrieben:

I am confused on why people are playing 4...Bf5?

I have always played 4...exf3.

 


I like the black position.

Maybe white can play different moves.

Its the starting position Bogolujobow-variation, which i rareley meet in the BDG, although i dont understand that, because its one of the few variations in the BDG, where black can serious counterplay, both sides have to play very accurate.

Whites plan is to get the dark squared bishop to h6 (to get rid of the defender on g7, the queen to h4 first and then often using the f-file to sacrifice a rook versus a knight, to remove another defender on the king side.

Black can get a good counterplay in the centre...most positions are unclear (with one side to blunder early).

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Dark falcon,

I never encountered it.

And bogolubow starting position is after move 5.
6 Bc4 is most common
7 o-o isn't the best move as I see it although it seems logical
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ponz111 hat geschrieben:
 

Hey Ponz, you are a serious expert in the Ponziani-opening and a good chess player in general, but it seems you know little of the BDG (so as i know a little about the Ponziani).

If Black tries to be a pawn up, he gets a very unsafe king position, which gives white good play.

Or you give the pawn back and its material equal for development, but i also dont see a black advantage in this variation...its quite equal at least (although i woild still prefer to play white in the below mentioned diagram)



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kareldevries hat geschrieben:
Dark falcon,

I never encountered it.

And bogolubow starting position is after move 5.
6 Bc4 is most common
7 o-o isn't the best move as I see it although it seems logical

OK, you are right...5...g6 is the starting position of the Bogoljubow, i only played a couple of games versus it, with mixed results.

6.Bc4 Bg7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Qe1 is the main line for sure and i dont think it makes much sense for both sides to deviate from it.

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an important line is with o-o-o so it really does matter

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I just spook the other they with a friend of mine. We ended up in a blind alley.

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Dark Falcon are you arguing that black has no objective advantage in the BDG or just practical? I'm sure the former is wrong.

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Dark_Falcon wrote:
kareldevries hat geschrieben:
Dark falcon,

I never encountered it.

And bogolubow starting position is after move 5.
6 Bc4 is most common
7 o-o isn't the best move as I see it although it seems logical

OK, you are right...5...g6 is the starting position of the Bogoljubow, i only played a couple of games versus it, with mixed results.

6.Bc4 Bg7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Qe1 is the main line for sure and i dont think it makes much sense for both sides to deviate from it.

White SHOULD deviate if he doesn't want to lose. The main line for white after 6.Bc4 has been busted:

To my knowledge the (very strong) plan with ...e6 and ...Ne7 isn't mentioned in any BDG book. I think white has to try 6.Bf4 which is not scoring very well, but at least it does not lose.

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Pfren.

This is indeed a not too good line for white .

Lots of improvements on 9 and 10 move.

You are right that Bf4 is playable

I will repeat myself, nice thing of the BDG is that you have to find out behind the board. And also for white that isn't easy , I still have trouble with knowing when to play Bc4 or Bd3, Qd2 or Qe1, 0-0 or 0-0-0
But that's the nice thing for me!