1. e4 or 1. d4

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MyCowsCanFly
Chess14237 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

e4

"Just say no to d4."


That just shows how much you do not understand the opening and how much you underestimate it. Both openings are equally good.


The question was...which is your favorite opening?  To suggest someone can get that question wrong is funny.

A-232
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
Chess14237 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

e4

"Just say no to d4."


That just shows how much you do not understand the opening and how much you underestimate it. Both openings are equally good.


The question was...which is your favorite opening?  To suggest someone can get that question wrong is funny.


As far as I can see, he never suggested that.

Chess14237

I did not suggest he was wrong, I suggested he was not right. There is a distinct difference. 1. e4 isn't worse than 1. d4 and vice versa.

MyCowsCanFly
A-232 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
Chess14237 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

e4

"Just say no to d4."


That just shows how much you do not understand the opening and how much you underestimate it. Both openings are equally good.


The question was...which is your favorite opening?  To suggest someone can get that question wrong is funny.


As far as I can see, he never suggested that.


 I should have said...many people think they are equally good but e4 is my favorite.  My answer was obviously confusing. I thought saying e4 was my favorite was sufficient.

Chess14237
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
A-232 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
Chess14237 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

e4

"Just say no to d4."


That just shows how much you do not understand the opening and how much you underestimate it. Both openings are equally good.


The question was...which is your favorite opening?  To suggest someone can get that question wrong is funny.


As far as I can see, he never suggested that.


 I should have said...many people think they are equally good but e4 is my favorite.  My answer was obviously confusing. I thought saying e4 was my favorite was sufficient.


Yes, your answer was sufficient. I was merely pointing out that he was wrong just to say 'don't go for 1. d4'. Although, upon further reflection, yes, the question asked which was your favourite opening and stating 1. d4 or 1. e4 would suffice.

Apologies, I guess? O.o

MyCowsCanFly
Chess14237 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
A-232 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
Chess14237 wrote:
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

e4

"Just say no to d4."


That just shows how much you do not understand the opening and how much you underestimate it. Both openings are equally good.


The question was...which is your favorite opening?  To suggest someone can get that question wrong is funny.


As far as I can see, he never suggested that.


 I should have said...many people think they are equally good but e4 is my favorite.  My answer was obviously confusing. I thought saying e4 was my favorite was sufficient.


Yes, your answer was sufficient. I was merely pointing out that he was wrong just to say 'don't go for 1. d4'. Although, upon further reflection, yes, the question asked which was your favourite opening and stating 1. d4 or 1. e4 would suffice.

Apologies, I guess? O.o


 lol...not a problem. I liked your response.

Godark99

Hello people, both 1.e4 and d4 are played by some top grandmaster and even world champion like Gary Karparov and Viswanathan Anand.

potatochess

I recently choose Nf3. Looks a wiser opening move for Whites.

GrantZierer

They both have their ups and downs. d4 games are a bit more drawish but still leaves white with a small advantage. All together this is how I feel:

1. d4- More drawish, likely a positional game, More queenside space, and lets the c1 bishop develop.

1.e4, Less drawish, likely a tactical game, More kingside space, Opens two diagnols for the queen and bishop.

So I truely do not have a favorite.

ModernCalvin

1. d4 is not more drawsh than 1. e4. It may look that way when you review Super GM games, but the Ruy Lopez Berlin and the Petrov have proved to be extremely drawish at the top tables. Theorists will have to conquer these walls before 1. e4 gets picked up again at the highest levels of chess.

1. e4 is more popular at Chess.com because people love themselves some Sicilian and Sicilian Najdorf around here. I guess it's a lot easier to stack your database and play games starting from Turn 10-20 rather than Turn 1, if you like that sort of thing.

Right now I vote for 1. d4, although that may change in a year or so.

DrSpudnik

Who on earth plays openings because some grandmaster does this or that...?

People play openings based on what kind of middlegame they are happy with. If they aren't they will suffer something awful.

I should know. I tried to pick up on d4 years ago and got my butt whipped by everyone. When I switched back to e4 after about 6 months of constant d4 preparation, I found that I played those positions from the white side more naturally and easily.

rathmullan

E4 - if it was good enough for Fischer..........Laughing

ModernCalvin
DrSpudnik wrote:

Who on earth plays openings because some grandmaster does this or that...?

People play openings based on what kind of middlegame they are happy with. If they aren't they will suffer something awful.

I should know. I tried to pick up on d4 years ago and got my butt whipped by everyone. When I switched back to e4 after about 6 months of constant d4 preparation, I found that I played those positions from the white side more naturally and easily.


Because some GM does this or that is the reason why openings phase in and out of popularity. The reason why the Sicilian is the most popular opening at Chess.com (and likely in other places as well) is because GMs score so well with it, and many have published volumes and volumes of analysis.

The reason why the Sicilian Najdorf is the most popular variant of the most popular opening is because Fischer and Kasparov chose it as one of the cornerstones of their professional repertoire. The same is true for the King's Indian Defense. The Najdorf itself is very counter-intuitive, and your average player is completely ill-equipped to handle the opening, yet it is all the range among tournament, club, and online players everywhere.

Of course, people will switch back to their favorite openings or move onto others if they don't have success with a particular opening. But the main reason why openings are popular is because of success at the top level. Just look at the comment below yours. After Fischer won the World Chess Championship, U.S. chess players thought it was sacriligious to play anything but 1. e4!

If engines and Super GM play have taught us anything, it is that there are many viable opening choices, not just the handful of openings that people think are the cream of the crop. There are so many playable openings just waiting for a GM like Carlsen to pick it up and refute the known variations that compromise its success. I wouldn't be at all surprised if people start picking up the Catalan Opening in light of Anand's recent success.

DrSpudnik

Is the Sicilian popular, because GMs score so well with it, or do GMs score so well with it, because it has all the elements of a great opening system? GMs play certain openings (by and large), because those give you a dynamic or positional element that those GMs desire. If you are struggling to take control of the initiative as black, the Sicilian is a great opening choice: asymmetrical pawn structure, challenge for control of d4, active counterplay opportunities.

Opening fads come and go, but the most popular openings will remain the same, because those offer better practical chances.

Flamma_Aquila

Put me down for 1.c4.

BigTy

1.e4 for me.

nimzo5

d4

Tom_van_Diepen

Yes, there are two paths you can go by 
But in the long run 
You only get hit on 
The road you're on 

(Led Zeppelin)

touristPetr

E4 Laughing

Tsumo

1. d4- accept no substitutes!