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masansr
Anonymous_U wrote:
 
 First move advantage is a myth.  Even computers believe in this myth by saying that the score is +0.35 because of this nonsense.

Yeah, sure it's a myth. Almost every GM and most chess players believe in that bullshit. I mean, if there are so many great players saying that the 1st turn advantage exsists, then how can it be true?

Anonymous_U
masansr wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:
 
 First move advantage is a myth.  Even computers believe in this myth by saying that the score is +0.35 because of this nonsense.

Yeah, sure it's a myth. Almost every GM and most chess players believe in that bullshit. I mean, if there are so many great players saying that the 1st turn advantage exsists, then how can it be true?

Yeah, but there are some that are smart and don't believe in this nonsense.  You said "almsost every GM".  Maybe I believe the minority?

 

Also, It might matter just a hare if you're over 2700.  But there's no such thing as first move advantage under that rating, because so many mistakes are made anyways under that rating level...

 

At the club level, there is definitely no such thing.

At the expert level, there is no such thing.

At the master level, there is no such thing.

At the IM level, there is no such thing.

At the average GM level, there is probably no such thing.

At Kasparov level, it might mean a little, but so little that playing 1.a3 shouldn't hurt.  

Anonymous_U
ClavierCavalier
Anonymous_U wrote:
AmaurosisScacchisti wrote:

Why are you so obsessed with connecting racism to chess? As i said before, instead of combating actual racism, you are merely maintaining a facade by avoid all appearence of racism, instead of avoiding actual racism. If your trying to make a joke, its already been done many times before and its not really that funny.

I'm not but you make it sound racist when you say, "Equality is not good when you're White."  Of course it is.  If it is good enough for black it should be good enough for white.  What makes white so special all of a sudden?

 

That's why I keep connecting racism to chess because you guys make it sound so racist when you say, "Equality is not good enough for White."

 

OF COURSE IT IS!

 

First move advantage is a myth.  Even computers believe in this myth by saying that the score is +0.35 because of this nonsense.

This is idiotic.  People are talking about chess, not society.  The colors in chess have nothing to do with social standards.  Are you going to start insisting that all pieces be grey?  OMG, there are 52 white keys on the piano and only 36 black! THE MINORITY IS BEING SUPPRESSED!  RACISM!  BIGOTRY! HATRED!!!  C MAJOR IS RACIST!

Yes, that piano part is completely stupid, and it fully illustrates how stupid your insistance upon racial equality in chess is.

OMG, THERE IS ONLY ONE WOMAN IN THE CHESS SET!!!! SEXISM!!!!!!!

Anonymous_U
ClavierCavalier wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:
AmaurosisScacchisti wrote:

Why are you so obsessed with connecting racism to chess? As i said before, instead of combating actual racism, you are merely maintaining a facade by avoid all appearence of racism, instead of avoiding actual racism. If your trying to make a joke, its already been done many times before and its not really that funny.

I'm not but you make it sound racist when you say, "Equality is not good when you're White."  Of course it is.  If it is good enough for black it should be good enough for white.  What makes white so special all of a sudden?

 

That's why I keep connecting racism to chess because you guys make it sound so racist when you say, "Equality is not good enough for White."

 

OF COURSE IT IS!

 

First move advantage is a myth.  Even computers believe in this myth by saying that the score is +0.35 because of this nonsense.

This is idiotic.  People are talking about chess, not society.  The colors in chess have nothing to do with social standards.  Are you going to start insisting that all pieces be grey?  OMG, there are 52 white keys on the piano and only 36 black! THE MINORITY IS BEING SUPPRESSED!  RACISM!  BIGOTRY! HATRED!!!  C MAJOR IS RACIST!

Yes, that piano part is completely stupid, and it fully illustrates how stupid your insistance upon racial equality in chess is.

OMG, THERE IS ONLY ONE WOMAN IN THE CHESS SET!!!! SEXISM!!!!!!!

Okay can you at least explain to me why equality is not good enough for black in chess.  Read my next post about at what levels of chess it actually could matter just a tiny tiny bit.  

Also, you tell me.  Why is it like that?  Why does white always have the advantage?  Why in piano they have more white keys than black?

WHY CAN BLACK NOT BE BETTER FOR A CHANGE?

I bet the piano was invented by racist southerners....

Fred-Splott

1 a3 ... g6 is a logical response.

ClavierCavalier
Anonymous_U wrote:
ClavierCavalier wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:
AmaurosisScacchisti wrote:

Why are you so obsessed with connecting racism to chess? As i said before, instead of combating actual racism, you are merely maintaining a facade by avoid all appearence of racism, instead of avoiding actual racism. If your trying to make a joke, its already been done many times before and its not really that funny.

I'm not but you make it sound racist when you say, "Equality is not good when you're White."  Of course it is.  If it is good enough for black it should be good enough for white.  What makes white so special all of a sudden?

 

That's why I keep connecting racism to chess because you guys make it sound so racist when you say, "Equality is not good enough for White."

 

OF COURSE IT IS!

 

First move advantage is a myth.  Even computers believe in this myth by saying that the score is +0.35 because of this nonsense.

This is idiotic.  People are talking about chess, not society.  The colors in chess have nothing to do with social standards.  Are you going to start insisting that all pieces be grey?  OMG, there are 52 white keys on the piano and only 36 black! THE MINORITY IS BEING SUPPRESSED!  RACISM!  BIGOTRY! HATRED!!!  C MAJOR IS RACIST!

Yes, that piano part is completely stupid, and it fully illustrates how stupid your insistance upon racial equality in chess is.

OMG, THERE IS ONLY ONE WOMAN IN THE CHESS SET!!!! SEXISM!!!!!!!

Okay can you at least explain to me why equality is not good enough for black in chess.  Read my next post about at what levels of chess it actually could matter just a tiny tiny bit.  

Also, you tell me.  Why is it like that?  Why does white always have the advantage?  Why in piano they have more white keys than black?

WHY CAN BLACK NOT BE BETTER FOR A CHANGE?

I bet the piano was invented by racist southerners....

The piano was invented by racist southerners who gave it an Italian name?  No, the piano was invented by Bartolomeo Cristofori of Italy in either the early 1700's or very late 1600's.  The different coloroed keys help to distinguish which keys are which.  The keys were often times all black with a thin strip of ivory on what we know as the black keys today.  It eventually became fashionable to have more ivory and less ebony.  It also became common for the body of the piano to be black.  I for one think it's easier to see a keyboard in our modern fashion than with an old system because the keys are solid colors, and the black keys stick out much better and it's easier to find landmarks, which is done with the black keys.  By the way, pianos are the youngest of acoustic keyboard instruments.  The pipe organ can be traced back to ancient Greece.

There is no defenitive date for when chess was started, but it is believed that it started around 500 AD in India.  Different colors were needed to distinguish the pieces, so there were light ones and dark ones.  This eventually led to black and white since they're exact opposites.  Go and Shogi are games where black goes first and white goes last.  Again, these colors were chosen to distinguish the pieces.

None of the above has anything to do with race.  Claiming that there is some racial importance to chess, piano, go, shogi, etc. is ignorant.

By the way, if this difference between black and white is only important at the GM level as you mistakenly claim, then why do you prefer black?  One of the important things about white is that they act and black reacts.  It's not as simple as this, but that's the basics.  Consider this opening.  White choses their moves and black's moves are responding to threats created by white.  Yes, black could have chosen other moves, which would make it a different opening.

I'm sure IM pfren could give a better description of this opening, but this is what I see going on.

kodeeak

I don't think it's great I think

ClavierCavalier
Estragon wrote:
Anonymous_U wrote:

Back to the main topic on 1.a3, I have an otb tournament this tuesday.  Is it a bad idea or fine to play 1.a3, if I'm given White?  

I kind of believe that the first move advantage is a myth.  It's kind of racist that when you're white, achieving equality is bad.  That's like saying, black shouldn't be equal with white, which sounds really racist.  

I don't see the problem with equality as white?

If equality is all you seek out of the opening, 1 a3 is fine.  But unless Black plays into a line where a3 is useful to you, equality is the most you could hope for.

The whole "racism" thing is frankly just stupid.  If you want all the pieces to be the same color, take up Shogi (Japanese chess) where the only difference is the direction they face.

Of course race had nothing to do with the colors, and in fact during the time of slavery and thereafter when racism was enshrined by law, the convention was simply that two players in a match would just alternate first move instead of switching pieces.  Black moved first in alternate games when black people were oppressed.

WHY did the convention arise that White always moves first?  With the advent of printed diagrams.  Early lead typesetting was quite difficult, it was no computer-generated piece of cake.  Keeping one color pieces on the bottom and the top of the diagram made it easier.  This led to widespread adoption because it really didn't matter, did it?

People who see racism in chess rules tend to see racism in everything. 

Oh, I thought shogi had black and white.  Oh well.

Alright, I went a head and looked it up and they still use the terms "black" and "White," despite the lack of color.

TonyH

actually it used to be that the player with the first move could pick the color of the pieces he wanted to play with. I am not sure when the convention of white moves first came into being.

Adjoran has argued that black has an advantage as the second player because white 'shows his intentions' .... depending on who you play a3 can be ok or backfire. It would be interesting to play a3 against a diehard ruy lopez and Bb5 siclian player and see how they play..

Fred-Splott

a3 doesn't bring enough pressure to bear. I played it for a few weeks and the number of wins I scored fell. The problem is that people are likely to be more careful when they play black than they may be when they play white, so the strategy of moves like a3 tends to fail.

Fred-Splott

A better waiting move on move one for white is either 1 Nf3 or 1 c4.

Or you could try 1 b4. Note that although the move a3 may imply b4, b4 doesn't imply a3. Indeed many people (GMs) think that b4 has failed if a3 is played, except maybe in unusual circumstances.

kiwi-inactive

1.a3 does seem to be a bit strange, but seems to be very defensive allowing black to take a greater control of the centre. 

I suppose you will need to be thorough in tactics and likewise most saying you need to learn a lot of reverse openings to counter any attack black will conjour. 

Fred-Splott

Thankyou Mr JoseO

Now ...

ClavierCavalier
Metaknight251 wrote:

why is this stickeyed?

Stickeyed?

ClavierCavalier
Metaknight251 wrote:

misspelled.  Why is this topic always at the top of the page?

I still honestly have no clue what you were trying to say with stickeyed.  Is that a dialect thing?  I assume it has something to do with it being pinned at the top of the forum.  It's like that because the OP is a GM who gives chess.com $40,000 a year if they promise to keep his identity a secret and if they make his topics special.  Godzilla has donated a lot for this same cause, too.  Superman donates quite a bit to keep his identity secret, and so does Clark Kent.  Strange how they're "Friends" but they have no games against each other...

jontsef

CC, even Godzilla knows what a sticky thread is...

Anonymous_U

Calling me a GM?

 

Wow, I'm probably only rated like 1500...

browni3141

Stickeyed is a common term. Everyone knows what it means. Well, almost everyone.

omegablitz

I'm pretty sure that 1. a3 is a pretty decent idea. I would probably play 1. ... e5 against that, because I wouldn't even think that you were playing an opening. This would throw me completely out of wack, because I normally play 1. d4. My rating is 1771 uscf, which is approximately your level. I say go for it.