1.e4 e5 2.Ke2?!
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Oct 10, 2009
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#23
Shivsky wrote:
kco wrote:
how is be 1-0 for white ? soon black will have Bd6 and the queen will be running around for cover while black developing
You do realize this particular thread has become one of the Mad Hatter's tea parties :)
Yeah is does kind of feel like I am in the Wonderland .....now where is that rabbit hole ?
I just checked your game explorer, you've never played 1.e4 e5 2. Ke2.
Oct 10, 2009
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#25
Actually this line has been discovered before, its the boungcloud opening, which was introduced by lenny_bongcloud (who was the lowest rated player on chess.com for quite a while).
The story goes that it was actually discovered by a certain Ernesto Boungcloud, with his brother (or son) Lenny Bongcloud (who indeed changed his name) being the one to actually plays it on here. Lenny later denied this, but it was too late and the official name had become the Boungcloud opening. Below Lenny's comment:
"i do not have a broether named ernesto dueds.
i doent know the guy who steareted this topic; never met him man..
most of hthe historery aboute me is bullcrap dueds.
the clown caetn even spell, aman!!
my naem is BONGCLOUD. maek a note dued..." [sic]
It should be no surprise that the Boungcloud was heavily discussed in its early days (almost 1,5 years ago).Today there even is a boungcloud society (http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/the-boungcloud-society-is-here) but the most interesting discussion for this opening is really here:
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/boungcloud-attack?page=1
RichardHayden gave 5 convincing reasons why the Boungcloud is a strong opening:
(1) After 1 e4, White is often vulnerable to prematurely developing either the Queen or light squared bishop. By Ke2 White brilliantly prevents this. Prophylaxis that Nimzowitch himself would be proud of.
(2) The King belongs on a central square from which it can command its forces. Stuck on g1 or c1 it's often hard to see what's going on.
(3) By Ke2 White starts to clear the back rank in order to connect the heavy pieces (rooks and Queen).
(4) The King is a very powerful force in the endgame. It's never too early to be thinking about this.
(5) Ke2 immediately makes Black's years of opening study redundant. As such White has a clear advantage as Black will be under pressure to prove Ke2 'incorrect'
I couldn't agree more.
In particular I would like to point your attention to the best defense by black (as in theory the boungcloud is almost winning from the start, black must try provoke white to go astray): the Moxin Anti-Boungcloud (credit to m0xln456)
Some interesting positions to consider are also:
The 'Mushroom' setup for black. To quote Meemo: "Black keeps his head cool against the ferocious 2. Ke2 and simply develops his pieces to inactive squares"
Of course the above setup is very strong. To conclude, the Boungcloud is a ferocious opening that should only be used when playing in a must-win situation. Regular deployment of this system will lead to the death of chess as there is simply no way for black to prevail against even mediocre opponents.
Thanks for your attention!
I have played it at World Chess Live, but have not attempted it on this current site.
RC_Woods has got it exactly correct, the Bongcloud istruely an opening to be feared. I'm sure we all remember Fisher's quote of, "E5 is best by test." Well the Bongcloud truely shows why this is so. Even giants like Kasparov, Karpov, Tal, Spassky and other were known to resign when playing black against the bongcloud.
ouachita wrote:
I read this, and immediately asked myself if it might even be worse than Na3.
Yeah, wasn't a guy on this site trying to call that the Crippled Camel or the Tickle the Pope or something like that? Can't remember . . . maybe the Tippler Thomas?
ha ha ha.... 
I've been playing 2. Ke2 for years on ICC, but mostly against the Sicilian.
Can't forget the Nimzovich prophylactic influence of 2. Ke2 in that it protects the Queen and the KB from those nasty attacks on the diagonals. 
It's not "losing" against the Sicilian. At a tournament some years ago, the "Chess Machine" (ELO 2300) was on display (not playing in the event, just for fun games) and I destroyed it easily by using typical computer weaknesses (i.e. playing Nc3 to entice d4, kicking my Knight back to b1, but incidentally completely closing the center, allowing me to throw Kingside Pawns at Black's castled position with impunity). It's a much harder sell against 1. ... e5.
I have to give you all credit for your opening naming skills. I had only been calling it the "Real King's Gambit" for all these years. Bongcloud and Tickle the Pope are beyond the ken of mortal man. I can just imagine them in ECO or the old, stodgy Reuben Fine Basic Chess Openings... or even one of Staunton's books. I've named a few as well, including the Potato (1. Nf3 d5 2. a4!), the W attack (against anything, 1. c4, 2. e3, 3. g4), and the Miscellaneous Attack (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. a3), but I've never captured the moment and the mood like you all! 
Oct 11, 2009
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#34
Actually its "e4" not e5 for the Fischer quote and it's obviously time to move on.
No, 1. f4 e6 2. g4 is the worst one.
How about 2.Ke2 against other openings?
1.e4 e5 2.Ke2
1.e4 c5 2.Ke2
1.e4 c6 2.Ke2
1.e4 d6 2.Ke2
1.e4 Nc6 2.Ke2
Conquiscador wrote:
How about 2.Ke2 against other openings?
1.e4 e5 2.Ke2
1.e4 c5 2.Ke2
1.e4 c6 2.Ke2
1.e4 d6 2.Ke2
1.e4 Nc6 2.Ke2
If you like losing with white I think its a great idea !
Well, here is the inaugeral game for 1.e4 e5 2.Ke2 on chess.com. This probably not the finest game, but now we have one for the records.
how is be 1-0 for white ? soon black will have Bd6 and the queen will be running around for cover while black developing
You do realize this particular thread has become one of the Mad Hatter's tea parties :)