3. Qxd4? Smith Morra

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Avatar of b3nnyhaha

in the smith morra gambit, or most frequently from a transposition from old benoni, so often i see 3. Qxd4 instead of the expected, 3. c3 is there any merit to this move? it seems to just waste a tempo with the queen... but simply because im seeing it so frequently now i thought it would be worth the ask.

1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Qxd4? Nc6

or

1. d4 c5 3. e4 cxd4 3. Qxd4? Nc6

is it just that queen pawn players aren't used to playing against the sicilian?

NOT SURE. anyway... actually wait i'll post a game just because.

Avatar of evan

The line you proposed doesn't offer White a whole lot of options and I see why you are confused. But, with this, White is still in a favorable position. Black should actually play 3...e6 rather than 3...Nc6, but with the line you gave, after 3...Nc6, the line can continue like this:

 

While I do not play it myself, I can definitely see potential in this. Next White could play either Nb5 or Be2. While this may not be the most common line, Qxd4 is an acceptable move.

 

Hope I helped =)

Avatar of b3nnyhaha

hmm reminds me of the scandinavian except for white, and black has 2 center pawns.. but thank you, i was playing Nc6 simply because that's what is typical against the Scandinavian (Nc3) but i'll try e6 :D

Avatar of Tomkov
EP_Chess wrote:

The line you proposed doesn't offer White a whole lot of options and I see why you are confused. But, with this, White is still in a favorable position. Black should actually play 3...e6 rather than 3...Nc6, but with the line you gave, after 3...Nc6, the line can continue like this


I can´t agree, b3nnyhaha played the opening very well IMHO.

3... Nc6 followed by g6, Bg7, Nf6 etc. is just a very good Dragon.

Ofcourse if you prefer your bishop on e7 you can try 3...e6 (or Nc6 right away) followed by Nc6, a6 etc, which is another normal system with a tempo for free

 

Avatar of Arctor

You shouldn't expect the Smith-Morra Gambit here. White can play 3.Nf3 when it might be best for Black to transpose to an open Sicilian as trying to hold onto the pawn with e5 can be risky (4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 and White is building up a dangerous lead in development)

Avatar of Tomkov
Arctor wrote:

You shouldn't expect the Smith-Morra Gambit here. White can play 3.Nf3 when it might be best for Black to transpose to an open Sicilian as trying to hold onto the pawn with e5 can be risky (4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 and White is building up a dangerous lead in development)


Sounds reasonable. But after 3.Nf3 black has also 3...a6! If white plays 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 e5! black has a good version of the O'Kelly variation. (4. c3 dxc3 5. Nxc3 takes play back in the Morra ofcourse)

Avatar of Mortfine

Very playable but when I do play this I aim at early c4... Nf3 h3 Be2 Nc3 00 Rfd1 plan... Good results with this... 

Avatar of tygxc

Better waste a tempo 3 Qxd4 than waste a pawn 3 c3?.

Avatar of Mortfine

After Nc6 I do play Qe3..and then c4 Nf3 h3... So its not in the c3 gambit spirit which I tried and against which black is better prepared... Its not about taking advantage but knowing what to do next... 

Avatar of magipi

I think it is somewhat unlikely that the opening poster still does not know what to do in the variation. He had 11 years to figure it out.

Avatar of SwimmerBill

As best I recall, Carlsen has played something like this with the idea: Nc6 4. Qd2 then b3 and Bb2 [with Nc3 thrown in when needed]. It's OK/playable but not great in my opinion. -Bill

Avatar of blank0923
SwimmerBill wrote:

As best I recall, Carlsen has played something like this with the idea: Nc6 4. Qd2 then b3 and Bb2 [with Nc3 thrown in when needed]. It's OK/playable but not great in my opinion. -Bill

Yes, but only in the move order 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.d4.

Avatar of blank0923

There's nothing inherently wrong with 3.Qxd4, but Black should get pretty comfortable equality by going for some sort of Dragon setup (I'm sure there are other ways of equalizing as well, but this is the one that I would prefer)

Avatar of ajpara

After 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qa4 why is e5 a bad choice for black to get a foothold in the centre?

Avatar of pfren

The capture at d4 with the Queen in the Sicilians is a serious option only when Back has played. ..d6, and does not have the option to develop the f8 bishop actively (say at b4).

It may even be an option when Black has played a slow move in the opening, but generally Black should not have any serious issures. This one for example is a serious option, but Black just needed to play a couple of accurate moves to get full equality. It might be a bit harder on an actual OTB game, though.