A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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dawson_632
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

 

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a french

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

 

there is no such line in the french...

ChessBoy513

Sicilian is good opening and it's not refuted although there's a dubious trap.

 

ChessBoy513

Here's the raw annotation of the trap above:

1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5= 3.d4?! dxe4?! 4.d5 e6? 5.Bb5+ Bd7!? 6. dxe6 Bxb5?? 7. exf7+ Ke7 8. fxg8=N+! Rxg8?? 9. Bg5+ 1-0

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a French 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.c3 c5

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

there is no such line in the french...

Well, here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO:

After that, it refers the reader to the C09 section (where one finds 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Ngf3 Nc6).

dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a French 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.c3 c5

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

there is no such line in the french...

Well, here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO:

After that, it refers the reader to the C09 section (where one finds 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Ngf3 Nc6).

 

he didn't write this though, nobody plays c3 immediately in the french 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. c3

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a French 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.c3 c5

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

there is no such line in the french...

Well, here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3

After that, it refers the reader to the C09 section (where one finds 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Ngf3 Nc6).

… he didn't write this though, ...

Everyone can see what Tal125555 did write from what I reproduced. You, of course, can continue to dwell on that, or you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

puer_Dominicus

"There are not bad openings, only badly played ones."

Lajos Portish

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dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a French 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.c3 c5

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

there is no such line in the french...

Well, here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3

After that, it refers the reader to the C09 section (where one finds 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Ngf3 Nc6).

… he didn't write this though, ...

Everyone can see what Tal125555 did write from what I reproduced. You, of course, can continue to dwell on that, or you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

 

he clearly showed the moves 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. c3 in the board, so not really. what you wrote has nothing to do with what he showed. you also yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a French 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.c3 c5

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

there is no such line in the french...

Well, here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3

After that, it refers the reader to the C09 section (where one finds 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Ngf3 Nc6).

… he didn't write this though, ...

Everyone can see what Tal125555 did write from what I reproduced. You, of course, can continue to dwell on that, or you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... what you wrote has nothing to do with what he showed. you also yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

Seriously ? The sicilian is a perfectly viable opening and there is no refutation. The delayed alapin is  not that bad, but if black knows a tiny bit of theory, he's ok.

You're showing games that start with e4 c5 c3 e6 ? => Seriously ? Black just transposes to a French 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.c3 c5

So this is not about the sicilian. Please not that in most of your games black doesn't lose because of the opening , but because of some other mistakes

there is no such line in the french...

Well, here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3

After that, it refers the reader to the C09 section (where one finds 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Ngf3 Nc6).

… he didn't write this though, ...

Everyone can see what Tal125555 did write from what I reproduced. You, of course, can continue to dwell on that, or you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... what you wrote has nothing to do with what he showed. you also yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

 

why wont i consider it? i played Bb5

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote: ...
Kindaspongey wrote: ...
Dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

 here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3 ...

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... you ... yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

why wont i consider it? ....

How would I know? All I can do is call attention to the amount of consideration that your posts have given to 6...Bd6, after my posts, made ~1 day ago, ~16 hours ago, ~15 hours ago, and ~7 hours ago. Only you can explain the reason for your choice.

dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote: ...
Kindaspongey wrote: ...
Dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

 here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3 ...

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... you ... yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

why wont i consider it? ....

How would I know? All I can do is call attention to the amount of consideration that your posts have given to 6...Bd6, after my posts, made ~1 day ago, ~16 hours ago, ~15 hours ago, and ~7 hours ago. Only, you can explain the reason for your choice.

 

i didn't have a choice to play 6...Bd6

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote: ...
Kindaspongey wrote: ...
Dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

 here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3 ...

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... you ... yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

why wont i consider it? ....

How would I know? All I can do is call attention to the amount of consideration that your posts have given to 6...Bd6, after my posts, made ~1 day ago, ~16 hours ago, ~15 hours ago, and ~7 hours ago. Only, you can explain the reason for your choice.

i didn't have a choice to play 6...Bd6

You have a choice to consider (in a post) whether or not you want to say that Black was "outplayed from the start" in a game that started with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6.

dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote: ...
Kindaspongey wrote: ...
Dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

 here is a line from a 2010 (Small) ECO: 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.O-O Ne7 9.Nbd2 O-O 10.Nb3 ...

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... you ... yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

why wont i consider it? ....

How would I know? All I can do is call attention to the amount of consideration that your posts have given to 6...Bd6, after my posts, made ~1 day ago, ~16 hours ago, ~15 hours ago, and ~7 hours ago. Only, you can explain the reason for your choice.

i didn't have a choice to play 6...Bd6

You have a choice to consider (in a post) whether or not you want to say that Black was "outplayed from the start" in a game that started with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6.

 

what are you even saying? theres clearly no 6...Bd6 played in my win

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote: ...
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote: …
dawson_632 wrote: …

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... you ... yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

… theres clearly no 6...Bd6 played in my win

If you are okay saying that Black was "outplayed from the start" in a game that began 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6, why would there be any problem saying that Black was also "outplayed" during the moves, 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 in another game?

dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote: ...
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote: …
dawson_632 wrote: …

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided along with a reference to the C09 section. I suppose another possibility is silence.

... you ... yourself quoted that 2...e6 is a good move against c3. i don't really care what french position came after 10 moves. i won anyways

So, you want to claim that White "outplayed" Black "from the start", you now acknowledge that "2...e6 is a good move", and you don't want to consider 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 ?

… theres clearly no 6...Bd6 played in my win

If you are okay saying that Black was "outplayed from the start" in a game that began 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6, why would there be any problem saying that Black was also "outplayed" during the moves, 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 in another game?

 

i didnt have another game with this line though, so i see no need to answer this

kindaspongey
dawson_632 wrote: ...
kindaspongey wrote: ...
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided ... I suppose another possibility is silence.

… i didnt have another game with this line though, so i see no need to answer this

e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 "outplayed from the start"

e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 "[No comment.]"

"... You don't have to answer. ..." - Laura Branigan (1982)

HolographWars

I think move 6 is a good enough to say “outplayed from the start”.

dawson_632
kindaspongey wrote:
dawson_632 wrote: ...
kindaspongey wrote: ...
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 a6 ...

outplayed from the start till the end, another sicilian player bites the dust

... you can consider the 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 exd5 exd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 etc. line that the Small ECO provided ... I suppose another possibility is silence.

… i didnt have another game with this line though, so i see no need to answer this

e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 "outplayed from the start"

e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 "[No comment.]"

"... You don't have to answer. ..." - Laura Branigan (1982)

 

you are right though, i don't have to answer it. you can mention the ...Bd6 line as much as you like, the moves in the game or its result isn't going to change

PolarPhoenix
HolographWars wrote:
BeastBoy06 wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
BeastBoy06 wrote:

Staples13, the weirdest &$*# in the world

Proof?

Any concrete lines?

Or words?

I'm a 2300 and OOONNNNLLLYYY play the Sicilian

That ain’t a line. Just a line of words.

LMAO you only refute the weak arguments but just start making stuff up whenever somebody comes with a viable argument.