A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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Queeg500
DamonevicSmithlov wrote:

Oh what does Garry know about chess?

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staples13
DamonevicSmithlov wrote:

Oh what does Garry know about chess?

Exactly. Kasparov is the greatest Hess player who ever lived, and he had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

... Kasparov ... had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

Perhaps because he didn’t think it was his best chance for a victory at that time?

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... Kasparov ... had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

Perhaps because he didn’t think it was his best chance for a victory at that time?

Yes! And he was right too

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... Kasparov ... had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

Perhaps because he didn’t think it was his best chance for a victory at that time?

Yes! And he was right too

Of course, there is a difference between forced-loss and

not-the-best-chance-for-a-victory-at-that-time.

HolographWars
ChessieSystem101 wrote:

its funny how almost everyone on staples side gave up already

I’m just focusing more on

El_Chapeau12

e5 Nd5 ? and what happens

 

El_Chapeau12
staples13 wrote:

I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6

 

3.e5! And black is lost 

1) e5 is obvious and deserves no exclam.

2)

In this crazy theoretical position from the PP Najdorf, try, without your CPU, to find black's best move and follow-up. 
 

 

El_Chapeau12

This is why computers have an obvious advantage against human in these crazy positions, as they calculate flawlessly. Hence, Kasparov did not abandon the Sicilian because of the Alapin, but because it led to positions where the computer has the obvious advantage of much better calculation. Even playing it in the First game was heavily criticised. Stop lying, please.

El_Chapeau12
pfren wrote:
Tal125555 έγραψε:

 

In this crazy theoretical position from the PP Najdorf, try, without your CPU, to find black's best move and follow-up. 
 

 

 

There is no "best move" in this theoretical position from Najdorf Poisoned pawn: Black is dead lost.

 

Actually, I do have some experience in that line from CC, which is rather pleasant: I won both games without effectively playing a single non-obvious move- just copypasting previously played games.

 

 

Black's fatal mistake is the natural 20...Rd8.

Black's correct course is known since some years ago: 17...Qd5! (luring the white pawn to c4 before taking at d4 does help Black in the resulting positions, although 17...Bxd4 isn't really a mistake) 18.c4 Bxd4 19.Rxd4 Qa5+ 20.Rd2 0-0 21.Bd6 f5! when Black has a perfectly good compensation for the exchange. The presence of the pawn at c4 will halp him to exchange in in the process, and at the very worst get a pawnless ending an exchange down, which is quite easy to hold.

Thks @prfen, I definitely need to prepare better. And of course I do know this variation with Qd5 and f5, recently(in 2019) played by MVL against Giri. I don't completely agree that that endgame is easy to hold, as it is much, much easier to play as white. In the only game where I played this, I drew, missing several (I think 3) +1 continuations. Anyway the hole point is that Open-Sicilian types of positions are much easier to play for the cpu.

staples13

Here’s a 2 minute 1 second increment “bullet” game I just played. Black played fantastic and  made almost no errors after 1. c5, but was still helpless to stop the Alapin onslaught 

staples13

 

staples13
YareYareWawa wrote:

I think black should survive the mainline alapin

Black can survive the Alapin only if white blunders, which doesn’t happen often since white’s moves are more obvious and easy to find 

ChessProMasterGZ

Your opponent did not play fantastic. But nice job trying to refute the Sicilian. Peace?

staples13
ChessProMasterGZ wrote:

Your opponent did not play fantastic. But nice job trying to refute the Sicilian. Peace?

He made no blunders, mistakes, or inaccuracies (other than 1. c5 until the last couple moves at which point the position was such that your average 7 year old would be able to convert it against Kasparov 

WeylTransform

The Kopec System (if you are conscious of the fact that your opponent regularly plays 2.d5):

6.h4 prevents the bishop responding out of sheer vexatiousness, and albeit the white bishop manoeuvre is deemed an inaccuracy, it should set you up for excellence what with numerous potential attacking diagonals. Kopec system may not completely refute the Sicilian Defense (but honestly, for every opening, there will exist a way to temporarily set the opponent off, who can retaliate and onwards goes the Hamiltonian cycle; it's like Ulam's claim about propositions in social sciences that are true and non trivial). Another gameplay which has become increasingly common is the one portrayed below:

This one leads to more complications for white, but nonetheless, if moves are played correctly, white should hopefully be able to secure a positional advantage.

WeylTransform
 



2.d5 brings about complications for white, and thus, I take back what I previously mentioned about the Alapin being exceedingly effective. The majority of players will employ this move you will discern, and it will mostly be an even game with black been given the latitude to attack more freely.

WeylTransform

No apparent idea as to whether this was mentioned previously, but the Wing Gambit is a most intriguing method when it comes to defeating the Sicilian. If black accepts the pawns, then it is quite likely that white will be better off, albeit the response 3.b3 can put Anti-Sicilians off this gambit.

 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

Here’s a 2 minute 1 second increment “bullet” game I just played. Black played fantastic and  made almost no errors after 1. c5, but was still helpless to stop the Alapin onslaught 

 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

… 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nc6 ...

"... d5 and nf6 do provide much stiffer resistance than any of black's other responses. ..." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)

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