A system for my fellow gambiteers !

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Hey hey hey there !!!

Sit back and enjoy as i take you through the most interesting system which i have discovered for my gambiteer friends ....

I dont need to introduce myselves isnt it ? .... well , my new system needs a little intro .....

 
 
Here Freinds , All i had to do is introduce this system to you ..... And i know , gambiteers who love to play with open files and diagonals will surely adopt this system !
 
Go ahead and start EXPERIMENTING ! Good Luck !
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because he had a heart attack

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I don't see the point of sacrificing material in an opening that already gives white a pretty decent advantage.

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What is the point of this?

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its some kind of a Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit with a different move order, were black can simply play 2...d4 to minimum equalize if not more...

Then you can directly head for the BDG...thats much better...

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lolurspammed wrote:

I don't see the point of sacrificing material in an opening that already gives white a pretty decent advantage.

That's the point of a gambit ......

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Optimissed wrote:

What is the point of this?

This post is meant for gambiteers ..... :) if you dont know what is done in a gambit , You would never know the point of this Gambit :)

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Dark_Falcon wrote:

its some kind of a Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit with a different move order, were black can simply play 2...d4 to minimum equalize if not more...

Then you can directly head for the BDG...thats much better...

The Difference between the BDG and this gambit is that The Software judges the position to be as -0.75 when one plays the BDG , and only -0.34 when This Gambit Is Played ... :P

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Garrus_Vakarian wrote:

If white plays Nf3,as I entered in the diagram,black could play Nd7 and defend the e5 pawn,instead of playing immediately c6.By the way,black's advantage is great,and Deep Fritz 14 states : -2.11

Your Fritz needs some calibrations.

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GM_NitishDas wrote:
Dark_Falcon wrote:

its some kind of a Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit with a different move order, were black can simply play 2...d4 to minimum equalize if not more...

Then you can directly head for the BDG...thats much better...

The Difference between the BDG and this gambit is that The Software judges the position to be as -0.75 when one plays the BDG , and only -0.34 when This Gambit Is Played ... :P

My version of Stockfish 5 shows -0.39 for the BDG accepted and -0.39 for this gambit. Playing into it, the main line it recommends transposes right into a BDG mainline. I'm thinking this gambit probably has no unique value theoretically. It may catch Black off guard and it does prevent a few defenses to the BDG, but it gives Black the option of 2...d4, so there's give and take.

 

Unless you're a BDG specialist and intend to use it a lot, I don't think it's worth it as a surprise weapon against a B-tier opening like the Scandinavian. There's a lot less theory to worry about in the main lines of the Scandi, and White has good and simple ways to decline anything else like the Portuguese, which maintain its first-move advantage.

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GM_NitishDas wrote:
lolurspammed wrote:

I don't see the point of sacrificing material in an opening that already gives white a pretty decent advantage.

That's the point of a gambit ......

No, you missed the point.  There is no point in Gambiting when capturing on d5 on move 2 already gives White an advantage!

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GM_NitishDas wrote:
Dark_Falcon wrote:

its some kind of a Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit with a different move order, were black can simply play 2...d4 to minimum equalize if not more...

Then you can directly head for the BDG...thats much better...

The Difference between the BDG and this gambit is that The Software judges the position to be as -0.75 when one plays the BDG , and only -0.34 when This Gambit Is Played ... :P

And minus anything right out of the opening is completely inacceptable for White!

That sign better say +, and the number better be greater than 0.00, otherwise, the opening is sh*t for White!

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ThrillerFan wrote:
GM_NitishDas wrote:
Dark_Falcon wrote:

its some kind of a Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit with a different move order, were black can simply play 2...d4 to minimum equalize if not more...

Then you can directly head for the BDG...thats much better...

The Difference between the BDG and this gambit is that The Software judges the position to be as -0.75 when one plays the BDG , and only -0.34 when This Gambit Is Played ... :P

And minus anything right out of the opening is completely inacceptable for White!

That sign better say +, and the number better be greater than 0.00, otherwise, the opening is sh*t for White!

But thats what happens when a side plays a gambit ..... he gets a bit bad position .... so its a normal thing for gambiteer to play from a bad position , and the position is only bad when your opponent is a comuter , else -0.39 or -0.75 etc doesnt matter much ..... :) Gambits are played even if they give the gambiteer a (less)bad position , because gambits help in building tactical vision :) ...... so one many would want to play a gambit  .... and the most important thing is that , all the evaluations that a computer gives , are based on mainly how far it has calculated ... we all know that softwares aren't strong positional players ..... So how would a software understand the value of open files and diagonals , and mainly , the "great" feeling that he gets after winning a game where he played a gambit and had the inferior position ..... :) !?

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ThrillerFan wrote:
GM_NitishDas wrote:
lolurspammed wrote:

I don't see the point of sacrificing material in an opening that already gives white a pretty decent advantage.

That's the point of a gambit ......

No, you missed the point.  There is no point in Gambiting when capturing on d5 on move 2 already gives White an advantage!

Why do you think on move 2 after exd5 , white gets an advantage ? who told you so ?

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ThrillerFan wrote:
GM_NitishDas wrote:
Dark_Falcon wrote:

its some kind of a Blackmar-Diemer-Gambit with a different move order, were black can simply play 2...d4 to minimum equalize if not more...

Then you can directly head for the BDG...thats much better...

The Difference between the BDG and this gambit is that The Software judges the position to be as -0.75 when one plays the BDG , and only -0.34 when This Gambit Is Played ... :P

And minus anything right out of the opening is completely inacceptable for White!

That sign better say +, and the number better be greater than 0.00, otherwise, the opening is sh*t for White!

But thats what happens when a side plays a gambit ..... he gets a bit bad position .... so its a normal thing for gambiteer to play from a bad position , and the position is only bad when your opponent is a comuter , else -0.39 or -0.75 etc doesnt matter much ..... :) Gambits are played even if they give the gambiteer a (less)bad position , because gambits help in building tactical vision :) ...... so one many would want to play a gambit  .... and the most important thing is that , all the evaluations that a computer gives , are based on mainly how far it has calculated ... we all know that softwares aren't strong positional players ..... So how would a software understand the value of open files and diagonals , and mainly , the "great" feeling that he gets after winning a game where he played a gambit and had the inferior position ..... :) !?

1.) So why are you arguing that your "software" gives a -0.75 for the BDG (which is nonsense, Stockfish gives -0,25) and -0.34 for your self-invented gambit which is foolish, cause

2.) Black can play 3...d4, which is far better for black than capturing. And 2.exd5 is by far better than playing 2.Nc3 with the hope, that Black will capture on e4 and not playing 3...d4

3.) The BDG is played since decades by thousands of chess players, how many players play your "gambit" except of yourself?!?

4.) The BDG has an excellent winning ratio, by far better than any other standard opening.

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Dark_Falcon wrote:

1.) So why are you arguing that your "software" gives a -0.75 for the BDG (which is nonsense, Stockfish gives -0,25) and -0.34 for your self-invented gambit which is foolish, cause

2.) Black can play 3...d4, which is far better for black than capturing. And 2.exd5 is by far better than playing 2.Nc3 with the hope, that Black will capture on e4 and not playing 3...d4

3.) The BDG is played since decades by thousands of chess players, how many players play your "gambit" except of yourself?!?

4.) The BDG has an excellent winning ratio, by far better than any other standard opening.

1- Stop trying to use logic to agrue your case Dark Falcon.

That was your first mistake!

Your second mistake came when you asked the OP how many players play his "Gambit"

2- Obviously all of the "OP's" Fellow gambiteers play this line.

See Title below

A system for my fellow gambiteers!

3- Now some fruit for thought with the Following statement the OP said.

"So how would a software understand the value of open files and diagonals , and mainly , the "great" feeling that he gets after winning a game where he played a gambit and had the inferior position ..... :) !?"

The above text in red is what sent you out of the ball park with a strike 3 Dark Falcon. The Chess Engine has no great feelings.

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X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
Dark_Falcon wrote:

1.) So why are you arguing that your "software" gives a -0.75 for the BDG (which is nonsense, Stockfish gives -0,25) and -0.34 for your self-invented gambit which is foolish, cause

2.) Black can play 3...d4, which is far better for black than capturing. And 2.exd5 is by far better than playing 2.Nc3 with the hope, that Black will capture on e4 and not playing 3...d4

3.) The BDG is played since decades by thousands of chess players, how many players play your "gambit" except of yourself?!?

4.) The BDG has an excellent winning ratio, by far better than any other standard opening.

1- Stop trying to use logic to agrue your case Dark Falcon.

That was your first mistake!

Your second mistake came when you asked the OP how many players play his "Gambit"

2- Obviously all of the "OP's" Fellow gambiteers play this line.

See Title below

A system for my fellow gambiteers!

3- Now some fruit for thought with the Following statement the OP said.

"So how would a software understand the value of open files and diagonals , and mainly , the "great" feeling that he gets after winning a game where he played a gambit and had the inferior position ..... :) !?"

The above text in red is what sent you out of the ball park with a strike 3 Dark Falcon. The Chess Engine has no great feelings.

Wow .. ! Thanks bro !

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Garrus_Vakarian wrote:

Hi Gm_Nitish Das,it's an interesting system against the Scandinavian defence.

The Scandinavian defence is in my opening repertoire,so I find your post extremely interesting.

By the way,if white plays 2.Nc3 I usually play d4,and I think that after it black is better,because you have to move your knight to some uncomfortable position,for example back to b1,or to e2,where it is harmful to the other pieces' development.

I noticed that when I play 2. ...d4 sometimes white doesn't want to retreat the knight,and plays Nd5,trying to centralize it.But it is usually a losing move:

 
 
This is from a real game of mine



@ GarrusVakarian: 1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nd5?! e5 4. c3! a4 5. cxd4 and white's knight lives on.

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Garrus_Vakarian wrote:

You are right.

By the way,2 Nc3 is bad for white,because as I said black can easily get a slight advantage.

2.exd5 is the best move in the position.

I would rate the move 2.Nc3 as the second best move.

However, I would not play the continuation you and Vandarringaare recommending.

1.e4 d5 2.Nc3   if d4

3.Nce2

The position can turn into either a Ruy Lopez/Italian Game position.

or

Kings Indian Attack type of position.

Depending on blacks follow up moves.

It is not as bad for white as it seems. I believe the positions are usually roughly equal-ish.

However, we are talking about from the white side. Which many people try to maintain an edge longer with the white pieces.

The line is playable. I have played it many times before. It just gives equality fairly early. An when you get stronger as a chess player you try to prevent black from getting equality as long as possible.