Active but non-trappy opening repertoire

Not sure how it favors black, when black has double pawns and the king is forced to move out of check, thus stopping it from castling, while white has manually castled. I think it's black who is in a playable, but losing position. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even think that white has an inherent advantage in the game!

The king isn't forced to move out of check.

You can't just say an opening which is bad is good by making bad moves for the other side on purpose

"this is coming from someone who doesn't even think white has an inherent advantage in the game!"

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Oh wow, sounds like you know a lot about chess

Probably just trolling tbh

You're wrong. I think you have fallen into the "doubled Pawns are ALWAYS bad" mental trap. They are not. Doubled Pawns can be bad, good or neutral. Depending on the position.

Black has the Bishop pair, in a position that White cannot block (so Black's Bishops are going to be stronger than White's Knights).

Ordinarily, in the Exchange Lopez, White has compensation for the loss of the Bishop pair because his Pawn structure is better... but NOT in this line. Black's doubled c-Pawn is no handicap at all in this position (in fact, the doubled Pawns guard useful center squares).

Here is a typical Exchange Lopez Pawn structure:

White has an advantage in Pawn structure because his K-side Pawns can generate a passed Pawn, while Black's doubled Q-side Pawns are crippled and cannot make a passed Pawn.

That is NOT the case in the line you have offered:

In this Pawn position from your line, Black suffers NO DISADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER from the doubled Pawns, since neither side can generate a passed Pawn in the endgame. White has essentially NO COMPENSATION for Black's Bishop pair.

700 refuting the ruy lopez be like

yes i know he's saying a variation that is bad is bad but it's funny ok

 

Exactly this, if my memory doesn't fail me ( been a long time since my 1.e4 days ), the plain pawn endgame is won for White, bar exceptional King placements, strategy being two parts: one restrict mobility of Black queenside by choosing one of a3-b2-c3  or a2-b3-c2 ( basically not allow any breakthroughs on Q-side) and two, create a passer on the K-side ( on Blacks f6, f4-f5 is not uncommon ).

 

Even the K+N+pawns Vs K+B+pawns endgame is typically very pleasant for White.

700?

Don't be so stuck up when I'm just talking about the game and saying things which are true

You haven't said anything helpful

I literally have a better win loss record as black than as white (in rapid, because that's the only one I play regularly) including every game from when I started on chess.com. And no I'm not trolling.

 

All stats across openings point to better results for White and ultimately White being a tempo up has some initiative that may get converted to some other advantage.

 

To not discredit your pov, there are some symmetrical positions where the first mover is at a disadvantage, Dvoretsky in his books shows such examples, the starting position is just one of them.

There also is a fringe view that information asymmetry could be beneficial to Black, but somehow I'm having trouble to believe White is in Zugzwang  

 

You are making a projection from your own experience and elevating it to a rule of chess, it's not true. It might be interesting for you to see why this is so in your games, it probably has to do with your and your opponents play ( by opponents I refer to the rating range or even the chess.com pool of that rating range ), e.g. how the initiative is handled, lack of prophylactic moves when attacking etc.

 

To give a different example, suppose I have a great score against the Grunfeld, this would say more about how easy it is to play the Grunfeld with White vs Black at my rating range than about the Grunfeld itself in a broader context.

In my line their are pieces too, and since the rook is in the center 1st it can very realistically beat black to a 7th rank, which by the way has more potential of working because of blacks bishop's pawn being stuck. White has way more potential in this position then black.

I didn't say it's a rule that black is better, only that white doesn't really have an inherent advantage.

How is it hard for you to understand that the one who moves first has a higher chance of running out of moves later on?

And if white's pieces develop faster, all black has to do is trade it's less developed pieces to make up for it. Look at this for example:

 

That position (after 7. Qe2) has been reached more than 120 times in tournament play. White has won only 13% of those games. Less than one game out of every seven. Black has won over 58% of the games, with the remaining 28% being drawn.

But you figure White has the advantage, yes?

EDIT:

In your post just above, why in the world would White play 4. Nxd5? Why not:

 

White has an advantage because they start first. White literally has an extra move. They will not "run out of moves" if they are beating you before then. You don't just "run out of moves".

You're just applying your own experience to ALL OF CHESS. If you are not doing very well with the white pieces then that's a result of your own play. In most sound lines, white has better win rates. Check the database.

In all of the lines you present, you just make bad moves for the other side instead of assuming best play. Any player who is worth anything would never play these moves against you. So what are you going to do when they actually play good moves?

White doesn't normally even play Nc3 in the modern Scandinavian. d4 and c4 are more popular. This is the actual line:

 

If you are not trolling, you really have a lot to learn about chess. Like A LOT. So much of what you are saying is just a complete misunderstanding of the game. Like totally novice.

Don't take this badly. I'm giving you advice. There is no point in stubbornly insisting on being wrong when in the end you're just holding yourself back. It doesn't bother me that you insist on being wrong. It's only detrimental to yourself.

Once you recognise how little you know and understand then you can actually start learning and improving.

You actually need to listen to some chess coaches and masters. Watch some master level games. Learn the game properly.

A lot of the players here are experienced tournament players and making good points and you just argue with them based on stuff that you basically just made up after playing a few games with other novices.

That would explain a LOT about why you don't know much about White's best moves in these positions. The Exchange Ruy Lopez is not good for White. White should not take the pawn in the Exchange. Everyone should not play it. Nc3 in the Modern Scandinavian should not be played. Do not take the pawn and lose your only developed piece and tempo advantage. Do not just randomly play moves for Black if you're trying to display a line, at the very least consult an engine to see that you aren't missing a line where you lose to a tactic or hang a piece or a pawn like your original Exchange Ruy Lopez board where after 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. Nxe5 you made Black play Qe7!? rather than Qd4 to win back the pawn.

 

Ok, your thesis is that White has no advantage. Your thesis is not correct, sorry.

Perfect play from both sides should ( is postulated to ) lead to a draw, so White doesn't have a winning advantage. Perfect play however includes Black neutralising the initiative White has due to moving first.

 

While an initiative can dissipate without yielding much and under conditions, liquidating can be a strategy to equalise, still the stats are better for the White pieces, implying an advantage of first move which is very real and measurable.

 

If the stats are not enough to convince you, look at opening theory, all Black repertoire books try to sell is that for major lines Black has achieved equality, be it static or dynamic. 

Opening books for White sell their repertoire gives a small advantage, be it static or dynamic.

To whom does it sound opening theory gives an advantage from the start, to someone trying to secure a += or to someone trying to secure an = ?

 

In middlegame and endgame books the initiative, other things being equal, is a temporary advantage, White as the first mover holds some initiative that they hope to convert to a more static advantage.

 

If neither stats nor opening theory are enough to convince you fire up an engine from the starting position, it should show a small plus for White, it's because the engine has not managed to find equalising lines that fully neutralise White's initiative.

 

Some top players even incorporated that the White pieces start off with an advantage in their goals depending on the side they played, e.g. Karpov ( unless the rating gap was huge ) was mostly happy to draw with Black but was an unstoppable force with White.

 

So yes White starts off with an advantage due to moving first, which is not sufficient to win the game on its own but puts pressure on Black.

All the above is contingent on level of play and in a sense is practical.

E.g. when one day chess is solved and we have 32 piece tablebases and therefore perfect play is a given to those having access to the said tablebases, clearly there will be no first move advantage because neutralising it will be a triviality. Till then however, the task of neutralising it appears non-trivial as the evidence suggests from stats, opening theory etc.

Funnily enough, white is still actually losing the pawn after Qe7 and white is still worse. They just did not explore the line after d4. They don't analyse and evaluate or check anything.

An opening that is super active but won’t give you a major advantage on tricks is the Blackmar Diemer Gambit (D4, D5, E4).
The main line is after E4, dxe4, Nc3, Nf6, f3, xf3, Nxf3 and black can continue several ways. But it is open and equal. Several side lines will end up dead equal after the opening.

If he refuses the gambit, play Caro Fantasy variation D4, D5, E4, C6, F3 with similar ideas. With e6 instead of C6 you are in the French. The Winawer variation has similar ideas again.

I will say that you have to study on the blackmar diemer gambit. It has many many side lines, from the start to further up the main line. As white you have to know your shit or you will be behind. At top level it is not played because you are slightly behind after the opening (somewhere between 0 and -0,5), but because of your more active position it is very playable under (at least) 2000.