Umm...here's the main line. Not sure why you didn't take a look at this before you started playing the Benoni. If you want to see more info, I've written a lot over it. Just a heads up, some of it might be a little inaccurate, I wrote this a while back. http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-quick-guide-to-the-benoni-defense
Benoni From Black's Perspective
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The Modern Benoni (ie the most active setup in this opening) move order is 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd 5. cxd d6 6. e4 g6.
By the way 4. d6 in your second line is just bad because of 4... Qb6.
@Charetter: I have read that thread. Yes you have given a lot of different variations, but you haven't given the theory or planning for either side.
I feel it's better to "know" your position than having to cram lines. You are just feeding us lines on that thread and man, thats some 40+ moves to cram, considering all the variations ...
...I just realized the line I posted hangs the bishop...
Alright, here's the ideas in the modern benoni. Don't lose the pawn on d6, push your Queenside pawns, the support from the bishop should give you good attacking chances. You have a queenside pawn majority, use it. Try to create passed pawns and win the game. You can actually Queen a pawn in the midgame in the Benoni. Don't really do anything on the kingside, this is a do-or-die attack on the Queenside. If white advances the f pawn, you'll have some trouble, which is why some people play e6 before c5. In fact, this is highly recommended, I'll explain in the next post.
The Benoni is honestly a bit crazy. You are just trying to get a pawn to promote queenside and white is going to try to checkmate you before that happens. Your pawn breaks should be obvious, b7-b5, a7-a6, eventually c5-c4, and then just pawnstorm and try to break through the queenside. Your pieces are really just there to support your pawns. It's very risky. Hope this helps!
Charetter115 wrote:
Alright, here's the ideas in the modern benoni. Don't lose the pawn on d6, push your Queenside pawns, the support from the bishop should give you good attacking chances. You have a queenside pawn majority, use it. Try to create passed pawns and win the game. You can actually Queen a pawn in the midgame in the Benoni. Don't really do anything on the kingside, this is a do-or-die attack on the Queenside. If white advances the f pawn, you'll have some trouble, which is why some people play e6 before c5. In fact, this is highly recommended, I'll explain in the next post.
Thanks man!
That's what I wanted to learn. Word up!!
Open your window and through the Benoni out, then step the stairs down, don't use the elevator, you must be in quickerness and when you find the Benoni modern or not start kick it until you reach the lake! When you arrive at lake, take a heavy rock and a net! Oh Yes! You know exactly what I am talking about! Send it to the bottom!
The modern Benoni it's a failure created from someone who suffered from depression! I prefer to give white one pawn rather to play the Modern Benoni again. I don't care how and why 2700 GM play it and I am not responsible for their mazochism to defend a problematic pawn structure.
And don't tell me that black compensates with enough opportunities for counterplay! It's the biggest lie you can tell to a kid after the story that Santa exist! That's my prospectives!
Bishop_g5 wrote:
Open your window and through the Benoni out, then step the stairs down, don't use the elevator, you must be in quickerness and when you find the Benoni modern or not start kick it until you reach the lake! When you arrive at lake, take a heavy rock and a net! Oh Yes! You know exactly what I am talking about! Send it to the bottom!
The modern Benoni it's a failure created from someone who suffered from depression! I prefer to give white one pawn rather to play the Modern Benoni again. I don't care how and why 2700 GM play it and I am not responsible for their mazochism to defend a problematic pawn structure.
And don't tell me that black compensates with enough opportunities for counterplay! It's the biggest lie you can tell to a kid after the story that Santa exist! That's my prospectives!
*weeps in the h8 corner, behind the knight and burns chess books*
b..b..but ... I ... ah ... wasn't Benoni the most active response to 1.d4? The one leading to fast play and all? 1.d4 d5 would lead to a painfully slow games.
i doesnt likes slow gamez
1. d4 d5 is a nightmare of tactical complexities if black chooses to go down that path.
Gruenfeld!! Best by test! Quick as a speed of light, the Benoni in front of it looks like a turtle. Solid, flexible with a lot of space to maneuver pieces and if white goes for the exchange variation you got an easy draw!
In the Modern Benoni you must bleed to take a draw and sweat all over your body testing your heart beats! The last time I played the Benoni I felt I was running ten miles unstoppable, I lost weight, I took vitamins to stand on my feet! and for what?! a draw looking like a favor! No way...you can keep your Benoni, I take my Ernst and move to the beach. I can play the Gruenfeld while swimming, can you do that with the Benoni?
My ass you can!
Charetter115 wrote:
This is the tajmanov line, and black had some issues with it, but this was loong ago. the correct answer its the odd "Nfd7" and then .. a6. If you check modern matches with this continuation you will see that black will do just fine. In fact there is a reason why the tajmanov line stopped to be so commonly used by white in favour to the "modern line" ( with early h3 ).
I play the benoni and have some books about the benoni, i cannot define mysalf an expert nor a great player, but i do fne with it.
Bishop_g5 wrote:
Open your window and through the Benoni out, then step the stairs down, don't use the elevator, you must be in quickerness and when you find the Benoni modern or not start kick it until you reach the lake! When you arrive at lake, take a heavy rock and a net! Oh Yes! You know exactly what I am talking about! Send it to the bottom!
The modern Benoni it's a failure created from someone who suffered from depression! I prefer to give white one pawn rather to play the Modern Benoni again. I don't care how and why 2700 GM play it and I am not responsible for their mazochism to defend a problematic pawn structure.
And don't tell me that black compensates with enough opportunities for counterplay! It's the biggest lie you can tell to a kid after the story that Santa exist! That's my prospectives!
I see your analytical / understanding abilities are quite similar to X-PATZER-X. You could write a book together titled "The rise of Forrest Gump to Chess Majesty".
ghillan wrote:
This is the tajmanov line, and black had some issues with it, but this was loong ago. the correct answer its the odd "Nfd7" and then .. a6. If you check modern matches with this continuation you will see that black will do just fine. In fact there is a reason why the tajmanov line stopped to be so commonly used by white in favour to the "modern line" ( with early h3 ).
I play the benoni and have some books about the benoni, i cannot define mysalf an expert nor a great player, but i do fne with it.
Interesting, I didn't know people found a way to play against the Taimanov. Looking at your line, it definitely looks playable. I still think it's safest to just avoid any of the "7. f4 pawn storm" lines.
Pfren @
Were did you see a analysis? I just express my feelings and experience, how bad is that? It hurts your invest in material?
By the way IM Pfren , how many norms of your title achieved using the Benoni in regural bases?! and why Super GM's don't trust it when they play critical games? 100 years of world championship matches and how many times has been use it? Two or three? I remember game four of Fischer-Spassky and definitely Tal in 1960. The last fourty years where is the Modern Benoni? Why you hide it?
Before I write this book I need to collect informations. It's only for Dummies and Patzers and you might not interest but my partner X Patzer insist to sent you one copy.
And don't post any Rado's game. I don't have time for experiments.
Richard Palliser is an IM who plays the Benoni regularly. You also have to know that openings go in and out of style. Nobody plays the Orthodox Defense at the Super GM level anymore, but that doesn't make it a bad opening.
There are many Masters who play it regularly. I didn't said it was not playable but more like unstable and note that for your future : There are many variations were black plays a position inside his goal post for a long time with out even breathe once until decide to counter in blind spots and give compensation to white.
If you like this passivity it's all yours. But...think , there is a Top Ten of players who are ambitious to win tournaments. You will not see them using the Modern Benoni with the same frequency as other ideas.
JUST TELL ME WHY ? and if your explanation proves that the opening is underrated from his original value then I start again to pay attention. Make me a believer!
I think this one will be very useful to the O.P:
http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Modern-Benoni-Macmillan-Library/dp/0020080913
Good luck finding it- it's 25 years old...
Here are some of the lines that keep emerging in my games over and again. Most of the times the end result is my loss:
I don't know what they call this line, but it's very annoying for me (black). How do I break the pawn wall in the center here and how/where should I activate my bishops?
Almost same as above, only more pressure and less space for me (black). How to rid that nasty D pawn and open up?