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Clark_20
I find the Bird opening interesting. I want to add it to my repertoire. Anybody know some good online sources which can teach me more about the opening ? Thank you
tranchant

http://ouverturebird.free.fr

Great source.

Merovwig

Well, I guess Big K is looking for sources in English. ;)

Be aware you may also reach the main line (I think) with closed center by playing the Nimzo-Larsen opening with 1.Nf3 (followed by b3) where you push the f4-pawn at the end of your development. People are (usually) less prepared against it and you would dodge "anti-lines" and other gambits.

bill_reed

Three books I have found very useful are, Bird's opening....the Nimzo-Larsen attack and Larsen.... all are "move by move" books and are by Cyrus Lakdawala.... I have played the Nimzo-larsen since the late 70s (R Keene's book, the Nimzo- Larsen attack started me off).  often transpose between that and the Bird's opening

ilikewindmills
The bird opening really isn't that strong. Most players rated 1200 and above will know exactly what to do against it. If you want to do something 'interesting' try the Queens Gambit.
bill_reed

I agree that the Birds on its own is not "strong" as Ilikewindmills said, but if studies with the Nimzo-Larsen then transposing to the Bird's later can bring about some very interesting club game. also not many people from 1200 to 1800 have studied it in any depth and it can often get results. If defends well then the Birds on it own will only give you parity at best.... if you play the Dutch with black then this can also give you a better insight into the Birds... I like the flexibility of the Nimzo-Larsen better than opening with the Bird's but do often find I'm playing a Birds before the middle game. there are some players out there who only play the Birds opening with white but you have to really understand it in depth to do that and get results regular . 

The_Ghostess_Lola
ilikewindmills wrote:
The bird opening really isn't that strong. Most players rated 1200 and above will know exactly what to do against it. If you want to do something 'interesting' try the Queens Gambit.

Boring !!

aidan0816

The Bird's opening is a lot of fun, and black really has no choice but to enter into the Bird (unless he tries the From's gambit, which is only strong against unwary players). I have been going through Tim Taylor's book on the bird and it is quite useful, but it isn't free. There are some weaknesses, but as long as you know what you are doing it can be a solid opening.

aidan0816

The Bird's opening is a lot of fun, and black really has no choice but to enter into the Bird (unless he tries the From's gambit, which is only strong against unwary players). I have been going through Tim Taylor's book on the bird and it is quite useful, but it isn't free. There are some weaknesses, but as long as you know what you are doing it can be a solid opening.

bill_reed
aidan0816 wrote:

The Bird's opening is a lot of fun, and black really has no choice but to enter into the Bird (unless he tries the From's gambit, which is only strong against unwary players). I have been going through Tim Taylor's book on the bird and it is quite useful, but it isn't free. There are some weaknesses, but as long as you know what you are doing it can be a solid opening.

 I like Tim Taylor's book "the Bird's opening"  but think Cyrus Lakdawala book covers more. and I do agree it can be a solid opening if you understand the weaknesses.

aidan0816

bill_reed wrote:

aidan0816 wrote:

The Bird's opening is a lot of fun, and black really has no choice but to enter into the Bird (unless he tries the From's gambit, which is only strong against unwary players). I have been going through Tim Taylor's book on the bird and it is quite useful, but it isn't free. There are some weaknesses, but as long as you know what you are doing it can be a solid opening.

 I like Tim Taylor's book "the Bird's opening"  but think Cyrus Lakdawala book covers more. and I do agree it can be a solid opening if you understand the weaknesses.

I will definitely check out his book when I get a chance, thanks for the recommendation.

Merovwig

From Black's perspective, I always have an easy play (= easy planning and positions) with a quick ...e5 plan based on set-ups like:

 



advancededitingtool1
Merovwig wrote:

From Black's perspective, I always have an easy play (= easy planning and positions) with a quick ...e5 plan based on set-ups like:

 

 



ma FO

bill_reed
Merovwig wrote:

From Black's perspective, I always have an easy play (= easy planning and positions) with a quick ...e5 plan based on set-ups like:

 

 



e5 should be met with d4 and never the much weaker fxe5 as it brings in all the black pieces into play...  Page 65/66 of Taylor book and 267/358 of Lakdawala book... you are right in that a fxe5 would be an easy black win.... if  then 7d4.. e4 then its almost a reverse French... Birds stonewall...

 

aidan0816

Taylor also suggests meeting the Bg4 move with h3 and a pawn storm up the kingside.  I've done this a few times in response, and usually my opponents retreat the bishop rather than trade, letting me storm the kingside with tempo.  I wouldn't expect a more experienced player to do that though.

bill_reed
aidan0816 wrote:

Taylor also suggests meeting the Bg4 move with h3 and a pawn storm up the kingside.  I've done this a few times in response, and usually my opponents retreat the bishop rather than trade, letting me storm the kingside with tempo.  I wouldn't expect a more experienced player to do that though.

there is some 62 pages in Lakdawala book on the move  ...Bg4 and ...Bf5...

advancededitingtool1
bill_reed wrote:
Merovwig wrote:

From Black's perspective, I always have an easy play (= easy planning and positions) with a quick ...e5 plan based on set-ups like:

 

 



e5 should be met with d4 and never the much weaker fxe5 as it brings in all the black pieces into play...  Page 65/66 of Taylor book and 267/358 of Lakdawala book... you are right in that a fxe5 would be an easy black win.... if  then 7d4.. e4 then its almost a reverse French... Birds stonewall...

 

how about pawn takes on e5, Nf3, e4, Bc4 and Qe2

bill_reed

chess engines..... give move 7 d4.... rybka deep2.3.2   = + 0.25..... Houdini 4 = +0.10.... and Fritz 15 = +0.27....  so pretty even....

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