Breyer, Marshall or Berlin Wall?

pfren has a delivery that seems to rub some the wrong way, but he has contributed in more than 1 thread recently with helpful advice. How many IMs do you know handing out insight on multiple opening lines free of charge?

If you look at my dialogue with pfren on this thread this simply isn't true.  In fact nothing like it is true.

What actually happened at Thermoplylae is a larger force, around 6,300 as I recall, set out to stop a much larger Persian army in the pass.  Perfectly achievable.

When a Greek traitor led the Persians though a trial allowing them to attack the Greeks from both sides, the 300 Spartans sacrificed themselves to cover the retreat of the rest of the force.  Intelligent strategy and self-sacrifice not idiocy.

If you come from a Western country like the USA or Australia, you are beeing foolish.  So much of Western learning comes from classical Greek culture.

The natural way to meet 8.h3 as an anti-Marshall is by another gambit: 8...Bb7 9.d3 d5!

This has different characteristics from the Marshall (maybe x_patzer has already refuted it), but it's reliable. The main line goes 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxe5 Nxe5! 12.Rxe5 Qd6 13.Re1 Rae8, where Black uses his superior development to prevent natural piece deployment by white. There are over 30 games played from that position (three of them are mine)- Black is doing well.

I recall a number of past posters who were untitled, but said intelligent chess things and gave good analysis and Pfren respected that. Pfren even defended two of these users when others said their analysis was dumb. Neither post here anymore (at least under their original names), one was Estragon. This was a few years ago.

Also some who posted dumb things 9 out of 10 times. That one time they said something right Pfren didn't hold their reputation against them, and that one time he'd say they're correct.

And using an engine in that delayed Steinitz position is really dumb... I should know because I did it too. I spent a few hours reading evals, prepping a line, and used it against a player. Finally realized it was really stupid and a huge waste of time.

The depth hardly matters. The engine ignores too many moves and even at depth 30 you're running into horizon issues.

And a difference of 0.11? What a joke  You really haven't used engines much. It's impossible to trust the eval of this kind of position. You should at least put the engine's main line on the board. Many times it changes its mind... but sometimes it doesn't realize for 20 or 30 moves so be careful. The best antidote is putting the engine away and reading some endgame and strategy books. (Although I admit the engine is super-useful to avoid blunders, e.g. when the eval drops 1.00... but 0.11 is meaningless.)

You have to take anything a computer says with a grain of salt. The computer is capable of calculating extremely deep tactical sequences in a flash, so what's playable for a computer isn't playable for a human who can't calculate as well. And you're right engines often have knee-jerk reactions to moves and then decide they don't mind it after all. I remember I was reviewing a game and the move I played wasn't in the candidate moves, but I snapped it off and the computer flashes red indicating I made a significantly inferior move and after a few seconds decided it was fine. But I wanted to see what the computer thought was better so I clicked back but the computer had changed my move to its top move. Lol

The thread isn't over yet joyntjezebel!

One thing chess has been helping me learn is patience!

Pfren is naturally pompous.

I don't need to demonstrate it.

I don't have to rush him.

I don't have to say anything to him.

All I have to do is get out of his way and leave him to his own devices.

He will not disappoint.

As for the Spartan thing.

One could agrue the idiocy the Spartan's had was in not being prepared in advanced.

I post here to discuss chess, not get involved in flame wars.

Oh the Greek history thing, read the whole tale if you want to know what happened.  It is not hard to find and interesting at least to me.

Will not get involved in flame war.

Will not get involved in flame war.

Will not get involved in flame war.

Will not get involved in flame war.

Well, at least he is an expert on history- after seeing an idiotic Hollywood flick...

REALLY JENGAIAS?

REALLY?

This is a discussion forum on chess.com.

We have every right to talk about chess here.

In the below position:

Pfren said the following statement post #50:

In this position Pfren is saying white has no time to play 13.h3.

Furthermore, he gives the move 13...d5 with an exclamation mark!

13...d5! was given by Pfren.

Now ask yourself Why is Pfren giving the move 13...d5 an exclamation mark?

Why Jengaias?

Tell me why?

The fact is you don't know!!!!!!

And guess what?

I don't know either because I am not Pfren!!!!!

Only Pfren knows why he gave the move 13...d5 an exclamation mark.

An unless you confront Pfren and say "Hey, what the hell?"

You will never know!!!!

And guess what Jengaias?

I confronted Pfren.

I am not ashamed of it.

I am happy and joyful.

Furthermore, I supplyed concrete continuations.

How can Pfren justify giving the move 13...d5 an exclamation mark in view of the lines I have mentioned 2 different continuations!

Obviously, Pfren hasn't responded to these lines I mentioned!

Only 2 reasons why Pfren wouldn't respond.

1) Pfren doesn't want to share his secret analysis with us for free!

or

2) Pfren is bluffing!

I think Pfren didn't play 13.h3 because he was afraid of ghost.

The move 13...d5 scared him into thinking it was dangerious.

But the question remains is it really dangerious?

Does it deserve an exclamation mark?

Is black winning after this move?

I don't see it!

I'm not afraid of Pfren's imaginary ghost friend's in this position.

Pfren could of labled the move as following 13.h3 d5!?

Which would mean he thought the move 13...d5 was an interesting move.

However, he didn't!

He gave it a novelty symbol!

The facts are the facts.

I am not convinced!

Who says we can't play 13.h3 here.

It is a standard move in the Ruy Lopez.

Pfren says it is not playable in this position because of 13...d5!

He didn't even say why!

The Chess World should be confronting Pfren.

After saying such a controversal statement!

That's a standard x player post. But as for questioning pfren about his thoughts on the moves there's no need for it to be a "confrontation" at all. I asked pfren about a move in the closed sicilian thread you posted in recently x player and he responded with helpful insight about the move. Probably because I didn't open with "pfren you knucklehead only a dodo would play such a move have you suffered a blow to the head?" Or whatever your preferred means of instigation is.

No it is not the bottom line.

I have already said my part.

If you don't care to read it than that is on you.

Lastly, You don't know what Pfren means since you are not Pfren.

You didn't ask Pfren!

How can you speak for him?

You have never even met Pfren in real life!

What your saying to me is assumptions nothing more.

I have the right to state my case.

I use to be like you until I saw the real side of Pfren.

He is a vile bitter man.

Wait until you see the true side of Pfren.

I have blocked Pfren.

Furthermore, he went around for a single month posting x_patzer at the end of his posts.

Insulting me in forums in which I never even went too.

Wait until he comes up with a clever insult to give you.

He will use your username in an insult.

You mark my words.

Because I told you today March 30,2016.

It is not a question of "If"

It is a question of "When"

When it happens I am not even going to say anything.

Because I am telling you now.

I told you so right now! Before it even happened!

The shock on your little face when it happens is going to be priceless!

You are going to sit there thinking to yourself what is wrong with him?

Your going to say to yourself "I didn't even do anything wrong?"

Nevertheless the damage will be done!

Well, no, Black has no advantage after 13...d5!- but on the other hand, if he is allowed to liberate his play like that, it's quite apparent that he has solved all his opening problems. Effortlessly.

The position has occured a few times, and Black is doing fine. I omitted a couple of games on the xpatzer level.

Neeless to say, white does not wish to play something like that- especially in a correspondence game, where due to engine assistance the tactical errors are few, and you have to positionally outplay the opponent.

I doubt it x player, I'm well aware that I'm severely deficient in my understanding of all facets of chess, particularly the opening. You see to take great pride in your knowledge of the opening and maybe pfren just likes reminding you that you don't know nearly as much as you seem to think.

I rest my case!

X player, I refer you to the other thread where pfren ripped apart your concept of white playing "terrible moves" by showing you a solid dozen top level games where white played exactly the moves you declared as terrible. Lol

This was the same problem I encountered when I tried the Breyer.  It was rare I even got there, so I ditched it.