You're not memorizing single moves anyway, if you're a good player, mostly ideas, and engines can help, not play for you.
Breyer, Marshall or Berlin Wall?
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Trevor-D wrote:
Taulmaril wrote:
pfren has a delivery that seems to rub some the wrong way, but he has contributed in more than 1 thread recently with helpful advice. How many IMs do you know handing out insight on multiple opening lines free of charge?
Well said, I've always enjoyed reading his insights into openings and IM poucin too.
It is a shame that so many interesting Threads get sabotaged by engine-driving wannabes.
Indeed. "My engine says this move on move 14 is a quarter of a pawn better than your recommendation!" Yet they couldn't hold the position arising from the move the way a computer can to save their life. I'll take a human perspective on what is playable over an engine any time barring a clear tactical refutation.
Over the internet every idiot can find a huge base of games, missing probably just the games played this year and last year. What follows is twic, piratebay ( nothing illegal of course ) and with money one can buy just about everything.
Antonio I answered to your question because I like your profile picture. Carlos Torre Repetto is one of my favorite past chess heroes.
If my answer doesn't suit your playing style then I am sorry I couldn't help you. I hope by reading and playing theoretical lines to find the truth you are seaking.
Good luck!
Trevor-D wrote:
Taulmaril wrote:
pfren has a delivery that seems to rub some the wrong way, but he has contributed in more than 1 thread recently with helpful advice. How many IMs do you know handing out insight on multiple opening lines free of charge?
Well said, I've always enjoyed reading his insights into openings and IM poucin too.
It is a shame that so many interesting Threads get sabotaged by engine-driving wannabes.
No, it's just pfren, the engine and the idiotic check on b4.
0110001101101000 wrote:
Sure, study the marshall, and be prepared to see 8.c3 once in 100 games
Sure.
https://www.chess.com/games/view?id=13250865
Well, it's not that I hate the Petroff and the Scandinavian, you know, I'm just playing, for some odd and random reason, the Archangel and Marshall, instead.
pfren wrote:
Blame it on your defective ears. It seems your momma pulled them a lot a few years ago.
Players (GM's) who have adopted that line OTB as Black (up to 13...Rae8, which almost universally goes on 13.Nd2 c5):
Tomashevsky, Kamsky, Fressinet, Nyback, Fressinet, Brkic, S.B. Hansen, Anna Muzichuk, Bachmann, Pavlidis, Hawkins, Das, Sevian, Kaufman, and correspondence GM's Busemann, Stalmach, Kupsys. I leave players with lower titles alone (they are plenty of them who played the variation).
x_nobody would surely crush them all... or it's just my imagination?
After being shown the errors of his ways Pfren resorts to Mama Jokes!
This guy right here >>>>> Pfren
Oh please tell us Pfren the Magnificent!
Who is all the below players playing against?
Tomashevsky, Kamsky, Fressinet, Nyback, Fressinet, Brkic, S.B. Hansen, Anna Muzichuk, Bachmann, Pavlidis, Hawkins, Das, Sevian, Kaufman, and correspondence GM's Busemann, Stalmach, Kupsys.
??????
Are they playing the Black side with no white side opponent?
Or
Dare I say "the players they are playing against are also Title players who willingly play the WHITE SIDE of that position!!!"
The fact you believe white is doomed after 8.h3 Bb7 is laughable.
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHA
Where is your refutation Pfren?
You have no refutation!
It is completely obvious you have no defense and have resorted to mama jokes!
Wait until the Title players here about this!
The Great Pfren has refuted the 8.h3 line in the Ruy Lopez.
My gosh!
I pray that you have a tub in your house Pfren.
Your ego & nose is so stuck up in the air that if you was to bathe in a shower you would probably drown.
Apr 3, 2016
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#109
8.h3 isn't refuted but black stands very well after 8..Bb7. You would do well to take notes instead of arguing with an experienced titled player.
lolurspammed wrote:
8.h3 isn't refuted but black stands very well after 8..Bb7. You would do well to take notes instead of arguing with an experienced titled player.
You would do well to actually read my argument.
White's position stands very well after 8...Bb7 as well!
If you think the black position is crushing white than Pfren has you fooled.
Apr 3, 2016
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#111
No. White has no advantage in this line and the results show. Black is doing excellent, and top players using the line with black shows. You would do well to sometimes actually listen to what stronger players tell you. I may be a class a player as well just like you but at least I want to learn instead of thinking you have all the answers because you can read engine lines that mean nothing. You arguing with the Titled players on the forums constantly is a laughingstock. These ppl are here to help players like us and you would do well to actually listen.
xplayer seems, for whatever reason, to be under the impression that Black being fine is somehow equal to White being "crushed". White can still play this way, but it's been more or less killed off as a legitimate try for a theoretical edge. Next.
Apr 3, 2016
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#113
Exactly. 8.a4 is my favorite way to go about it but 8.c3 isn't completely nullified yet.
Apr 3, 2016
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#114
I disagree about the lack of a theoretical edge. These heavily analysed lines do still give a very slight edge to white from a purely theoretical perspective, but they don't give white enough of an edge to play for a win. The advantage is theoretical, but not practical.
Most GMs would today would rather have theoretical equality with practical chances than a theoretical edge with almost no practical chance to win.
Apr 3, 2016
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#115
I disagree about the lack of a theoretical edge. These heavily analysed lines do still give a very slight edge to white from a purely theoretical perspective, but they don't give white enough of an edge to play for a win. The advantage is theoretical, but not practical.
Korchnoi once referred to such an advantage as purely symbolic.
Most GMs would today would rather have theoretical equality with practical chances than a theoretical edge with almost no practical chance to win.
Korchnoi once described such an advantage as purely symbolic.
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
The fact you believe white is doomed after 8.h3 Bb7 is laughable.
I never said that, you did.
What I said (and you prove with every new comment of yours) is that you are a total moron.
Best regards.
lolurspammed wrote:
No. White has no advantage in this line and the results show. Black is doing excellent, and top players using the line with black shows. You would do well to sometimes actually listen to what stronger players tell you. I may be a class a player as well just like you but at least I want to learn instead of thinking you have all the answers because you can read engine lines that mean nothing. You arguing with the Titled players on the forums constantly is a laughingstock. These ppl are here to help players like us and you would do well to actually listen.
You believe I haven't listened to what has been said.
Thus, I would like to ask you a question.
The question I would like to ask you is simple.
Do you believe white is doing fine in the gambit line Pfren has been talking about?
I would like you to say a Yes or No.
Than explain why you feel that way.
Yes, White is doing "fine" in that he isn't worse. But he isn't better either. Capiche?
Apr 4, 2016
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#119
Yes he's fine obviously. The point is that black has an easy game with good play.
Actually the old line 11...Nd4 (in place of 11...Nxe5) has also been revived with the improvement 13...Nc7 (13...Nxb3 was played, where white keeps a small advantage), which so far has been played only in correspondence chess: Nine games, most at high level, with nine draws as the final result.
It's probably a matter of taste- I prefer the 11...Nxe5 approach, where play is less forcing.
Of course Black may also play 9...d6 transposing to a line of the Arkhangelsk- but Marshallers do like offering a pawn for active play whenever possible. Here Black has full compensation for the pawn, so why not! They just get sure they won't have x_nobody to meet...
pfren has a delivery that seems to rub some the wrong way, but he has contributed in more than 1 thread recently with helpful advice. How many IMs do you know handing out insight on multiple opening lines free of charge?
Well said, I've always enjoyed reading his insights into openings and IM poucin too.
It is a shame that so many interesting Threads get sabotaged by engine-driving wannabes.