Chess databases, why no easy way to access it from the game?

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Alright, then we agree on that note.

But especially since you need to wait for the board to load after every individual move you put it, it can be very cumbersome to put in 6-7 moves per player, if you're in a complicated opening that you're not very familiar with.

For example, I detest the Sicilian, and don't know many of the lines past 4-6 ply. So if I'm in a game where I'm my opponent plays 1...c5, I need to spend increasingly more time just to access the right data in the DB, even before I can start analyzing it.

Why not include a "This position in Explorer" link?

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Exactly AnthonyCG, I am also not against databases - I was talking about it helping abusers! We ethically do not have the right to harass people - getting selfish enjoyment without showing the least consideration for others! Though we are not legally bound to be considerate towards others, we are morally, ethically bound not to harass people just for our enjoyment - and we should not make things easier for these people - so they can harass much more! Now they are harassing 50-70 people, with ease of database use they will start harassing 1000s. The difficulty in use will at least keep that number down!

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I know that using a database or a book during online correspondence play is legal, but I think it should not be encouraged by putting a link on the board. If you want to study an opening, great, do it on your own time. Learn something for the next game you play.

Databases and statistics and opening theory are all so overrated anyway. Playing the moves of grandmasters doesn't mean a damn thing if you get to a middle-game / end-game and don't know how to continue.

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slack, I fully agree with you

Avatar of DeepGreene
slack wrote:

I know that using a database or a book during online correspondence play is legal, but I think it should not be encouraged by putting a link on the board. If you want to study an opening, great, do it on your own time. Learn something for the next game you play.

Databases and statistics and opening theory are all so overrated anyway. Playing the moves of grandmasters doesn't mean a damn thing if you get to a middle-game / end-game and don't know how to continue.


So in summary, A. you don't think I should be able to easily access a learning tool that B. won't mean a damn thing anyway.  Are you just trying to protect me from wasting my own time then, or what?  And why does it not surprise me that this sort of reasoning is so agreeable to dsarkar...

It's a darn shame you guys are stuck playing chess in a community of correspondence players on a site that hosts correspondence chess.  There might be other fish in the sea, you know.  Shop around.

Avatar of costelus

I answer to the original post, *not* to the discussion which started after that.

It is easy enough to access game explorer from online chess. Let's say you played some moves in game explorer. At the bottom right of the page, there is a box called "link to page". Copy the text there into the notes section from your game. Next, when your adversary makes his move, just take the link from the notes section and paste it in the browser. Thus, you won't have to make all the moves again.

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costelus wrote:

I answer to the original post, *not* to the discussion which started after that.

It is easy enough to access game explorer from online chess. Let's say you played some moves in game explorer. At the bottom right of the page, there is a box called "link to page". Copy the text there into the notes section from your game. Next, when your adversary makes his move, just take the link from the notes section and paste it in the browser. Thus, you won't have to make all the moves again.


Hey, that's pretty darn creative.  Smile  But I think I can crack open a browser tab, grab the current FEN and get results from a number of other online DBs in a matter of seconds.  Given that chess.com has its own DB, however, the integration seems like a no-brainer (to me).

Avatar of DeepGreene
AnthonyCG wrote:
Cmon man stop bein so defensive. The problem is the abusers - the people who will not "play chess" and simply copy almost all of someone else's moves.

I'm more amused than anything, trust me.  And again, it's not abuse.  You cannot 'abuse' anything or anyone on this site by reference to a database.  Period. 

And with reference to the "95% of moves" comment above, I'd say that's practically impossible anyway.  It's relatively rare to be 'in book' (or DB) more than 7-9 moves in the games I play.

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DeepGreene wrote:

So in summary, A. you don't think I should be able to easily access a learning tool that B. won't mean a damn thing anyway.  Are you just trying to protect me from wasting my own time then, or what?  And why does it not surprise me that this sort of reasoning is so agreeable to dsarkar...

It's a darn shame you guys are stuck playing chess in a community of correspondence players on a site that hosts correspondence chess.  There might be other fish in the sea, you know.  Shop around.


No, I just think things are fine the way they are. Databases aren't hard to find. Players should think for themselves during a match, not be encouraged to click a link and bring up a database.

Correspondence chess isn't just about having the ability to play from a book. Some people love playing, but don't have the time to sit for a 30 minute game. That's basically why I choose to play here. That and it's a hell of a lot better than yahoo!