Can somebody suggest a tricky opening repertoire?

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st0ckfish

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f4-g4/f5-g5

st0ckfish

If you don't believe me, Kingside, ask Robert (@1e41-0) for some sample games happy.png

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:

Ok, guys stop messing around! I want a serious opening that gives my opponent chances to go wrong. Example: Cambridge Springs.

whats that?!

Im not joking, I played 1...g6 today otb (without knowing any theory) and drew a higher rated opponent. g6 ftw!

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:
KingSideInvasion wrote:

Ok, guys stop messing around! I want a serious opening that gives my opponent chances to go wrong. Example: Cambridge Springs.

whats that?!

Im not joking, I played 1...g6 today otb (without knowing any theory) and drew a higher rated opponent. g6 ftw!

Ok well show me a way they could go wrong and white remains solid if they don't.

??

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:

Example (Not to say that this is the best continuation):  Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 and black wins a piece.

errr...thats called hoping your opponent blunders. i remember i played a 1600 some time ago who played the Max Lange, hoping I would fall into a "trap". Needless to say, i didn't fall into it, and he lost 20 moves later.

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:

Show me the trickiness!

P L E A S E.

 

 

st0ckfish

And, its tricky in the sense your opponent doesn't expect it. Plus, there is no such thing as a "tricky" opening. Some openings are just "tricky" because no one plays them much, but there are a few traps. 

st0ckfish

most opening with traps DO rely on those chances

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:

Example (Not to say that this is the best continuation):  Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 and black wins a piece.

explain again? How does the knight take on e4? Its pinned.

st0ckfish
1_a31-0 wrote:

most opening with traps DO rely on those chances

For example, your cambridge springs thing. I would gladly take that position as White, since Black hasn't followed opening principles, and White has "normal" development with Nd2*, Be2, O-O, more space, and better pieces. So, where exactly is Black's compensation?

*Nd2 to break the pin, because after Bb4, there might be a "trap"?? Idk, the trap line you posted doesn't make any sense, but the trap is probably based on a pin of some sort.

st0ckfish

And why does Nxg5 deserve two exclams? Plus, why Bd3? Even if there wasn't a trap, it seems more natural to put it on e2? Why Qc2? For O-O-O? Usually White wants to castle kingside in these positions, no?

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:

most opening with traps DO rely on those chances

For example, your cambridge springs thing. I would gladly take that position as White, since Black hasn't followed opening principles, and White has "normal" development with Nd2*, Be2, O-O, more space, and better pieces. So, where exactly is Black's compensation?

*Nd2 to break the pin, because after Bb4, there might be a "trap"?? Idk, the trap line you posted doesn't make any sense, but the trap is probably based on a pin of some sort.

I just love the pressure black gets on white with Bb5, Ne4, etc. So tricky and played by the best of the best (Garry Kasparov, etc.)

uhhh...Nd2 breaks the pin. 

Kasparov played a lot of things. Magnus plays the Bnogcloud, does that mean I should play the Bongcloud too? I'm not trying to discourage you from playing this opening (if you like it), but you shouldn't play an opening just because famous players do.

chess_backstaber

I like scotch and it’s pretty good.

Your’e suppose to take then

That’s how how you defend it.

 

KingSideInvasion

The two exclams were to symbolize that that is the key move. Qc2 is like one of the most common moves and Bd3 makes sense because it pressures the knight... Trust me these traps are common. There are more, too! But my question was, do you know anything like this opening that's tricky?

chess_backstaber

No

KingSideInvasion
1_a31-0 wrote:
KingSideInvasion wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:

most opening with traps DO rely on those chances

For example, your cambridge springs thing. I would gladly take that position as White, since Black hasn't followed opening principles, and White has "normal" development with Nd2*, Be2, O-O, more space, and better pieces. So, where exactly is Black's compensation?

*Nd2 to break the pin, because after Bb4, there might be a "trap"?? Idk, the trap line you posted doesn't make any sense, but the trap is probably based on a pin of some sort.

I just love the pressure black gets on white with Bb5, Ne4, etc. So tricky and played by the best of the best (Garry Kasparov, etc.)

uhhh...Nd2 breaks the pin. 

Kasparov played a lot of things. Magnus plays the Bnogcloud, does that mean I should play the Bongcloud too? I'm not trying to discourage you from playing this opening (if you like it), but you shouldn't play an opening just because famous players do.

GARRY KASPAROV PLAYED THIS REPEATEDLY IN IMPORTANT WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MATCHES. NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PLAY A3 IN A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH. THE CAMBRIDGE SPRINGS IS ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED REPLIES TO D4 AND SUITS MY STYLE PERFECTLY. THE POINT OF THIS POST IS NOT TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE CAMBRIDGE SPRINGS IS GOOD OR NOT.

KingSideInvasion
chess_backstaber wrote:

I like scotch and it’s pretty good.

Your’e suppose to take then

That’s how how you defend it.

Thanks I'll look into it. I don't see any real tricks in this line though...

chess_backstaber

Yeah, it’s just no one plays it so it’s really confusing for people who don’t know it.

st0ckfish
KingSideInvasion wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:
KingSideInvasion wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:

most opening with traps DO rely on those chances

For example, your cambridge springs thing. I would gladly take that position as White, since Black hasn't followed opening principles, and White has "normal" development with Nd2*, Be2, O-O, more space, and better pieces. So, where exactly is Black's compensation?

*Nd2 to break the pin, because after Bb4, there might be a "trap"?? Idk, the trap line you posted doesn't make any sense, but the trap is probably based on a pin of some sort.

I just love the pressure black gets on white with Bb5, Ne4, etc. So tricky and played by the best of the best (Garry Kasparov, etc.)

uhhh...Nd2 breaks the pin. 

Kasparov played a lot of things. Magnus plays the Bnogcloud, does that mean I should play the Bongcloud too? I'm not trying to discourage you from playing this opening (if you like it), but you shouldn't play an opening just because famous players do.

GARRY KASPAROV PLAYED THIS REPEATEDLY IN IMPORTANT WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MATCHES. NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PLAY A3 IN A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH. THE CAMBRIDGE SPRINGS IS ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED REPLIES TO D4 AND SUITS MY STYLE PERFECTLY. THE POINT OF THIS POST IS NOT TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE CAMBRIDGE SPRINGS IS GOOD OR NOT.

DUDA PLAYED A3 AGAINST XIONG IN A MUST WIN GAME AT THE WORLD CUP