Defences' Solidity/Agressiveness

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Daniel_Almeida

Thank you, finalunpurez and transpo.

pfren
Daniel_Almeida wrote:

Do you really believe that, pfren?

May I ask you on which criteria do you choose your opening repertoire? Just out of plain curiosity...

Of course I do.

The only criterion on OTB games is ending the theoretical discussion as soon as possible (playing normal moves, not dubious ones). On correspondence games I think a bit differently, but in both cases I like playing positions with as many pieces as possible on the board, and where there is little theory to memorize.

Daniel_Almeida

So how do you explain why Fischer and Tal always opened with e4 and chose the sicilian and the kid? Or why did Petrosian go for d4 and the french and Karpov for the caro-kann?

Was it random, I mean, it just happened to be like that? You really think it has nothing to do with style/character of the openings?

Also, at least do you agree that some openings are more dynamic than others?

Anybody else agrees with pfren or is it just me that doesn't buy it?

pfren

They didn't always play 1.e4, they didn't always play the KID or Sicilian, and Karpov has played much more 1...e5 and Sicilians than the Caro Kann. You should check your data more carefully.

I didn't sell anything, so you have nothing to buy. I just reported facts.

Daniel_Almeida

Ok, not "always" but "almost always". As to Karpov, it's true he played just a bit more e5 than c6, but he played way more caro-kanns than sicilians for sure. Now that's not a fact, is it?...

Don't get it personaly with the "I don't buy it" thing. I'm portuguese, and to me that just means "I don't agree with you".

I believe you got my point (you did, right?), but once again you skiped my question. Is there a specific reason behind that? Or will you skip this one again?

pfren

One more time: There are aggressive players, not aggressive openings.

I cannot tell you that in Portuguese, to get sure you understood.

Oh, and for the record, my database has 247 Karpov games playing the Caro as Black, and 764 with Sicilians. Now that's a fact for sure, isn't it?

Daniel_Almeida

And you don't think certain openings are based on certain ideas/themes that fit aggressive players more than others? Come on man, you're hard to crack!

Let me try a different route perhaps: of the world champions, which do you consider aggressive?

And by the way, what's your database? Are you sure the Karpov you are refering is Anatoly Karpov and not all the Karpovs there?

Good night

(PS: I'm curious to see which questions you will skip... I bet all of them...)

pfren
Daniel_Almeida wrote:

(PS: I'm curious to see which questions you will skip... I bet all of them...)

In that case you'd better bet your defunct Escudos... but since it's quite apparent that you know it all, I shouldn't bother continuing that errr, discussion. There is no point showing the moon to someone who will, all the time, look at the finger.

Daniel_Almeida

I give up too...

I subscribe every single word you said to yourself... except for the escudos part.

But for the record I believe I was the one who kept asking questions, which to me indicates that "I don't know it all", and you the one who (arrogantly, imho) kept to yourself the "righteous" answers and "facts" and despised me in the end.

Daniel_Almeida

At least it seems I was right, you only answer those questions that doesn't question yourself...

ghostofmaroczy

Although the Sicilian is regarded as aggressive and the Caro-Kann as more solid, I believe there was a quote from Tal where he said if you must play for a draw, play the Sicilian and if you must play for a win play the Caro-Kann.

finalunpurez

It all depends on the player playing the opening!