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chamo2074

This thread is to discuss one about my fav opening, you can send lines, argue if it is bad or good, suggest, and such. I could have sent a lot of my knowledge abt it in this post, but it is too big and I am too lasy. I wanna wait for somebody and see how he starts it, and then I will share some knowledge. Hopefully this thread will see some knowledgeable french players

chamo2074

Link please?

chamo2074

Oh oh yes, I am gonna move it to this section. 

2Kd21-0

I like the Tarrasch of the French 1. e4 ..e6 2. d4 ...d5 3. Nd2

 

chamo2074

You like it with white or black? Here is an interesting line in theTarrasch:

 

sndeww

hmm

chamo2074

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chamo2074

Btw SNUDOO, we had this line egainst each other lol I crushed you at that time, as you fell for the trap

chamo2074

Nice!

sndeww
chamo2074 wrote:

Btw SNUDOO, we had this line egainst each other lol I crushed you at that time, as you fell for the trap

I know. It's not a trap, but I just wanted to play it and see how much theory you knew. I ended up losing tho because of my daily habits

chamo2074

It is, you would have lost an exchange anyways, had you not fell for the royal fork or got your queen trapped as shown in the diagram

tylerskim

I also play the French. I even play e6 against d4 hoping for a transposition. I don't play the Winawer but I stick to a lot of mainline stuff.

chamo2074

Yeah, but Against d4, e6 might get you in trouble with the Queens Gambit

RivertonKnight

https://www.amazon.com/Playing-1-e4-e5-Classical-Repertoire/dp/1784830143

https://www.amazon.com/Playing-1-d4-d5-Classical-Repertoire/dp/1784830429

https://www.amazon.com/Playing-French-Grandmaster-Guide-Aagaard/dp/1907982361

 

Lastrank

I play the French as my main defense against 1.e4.  I think I've gotten good results.  

One thing though is the prevalence of the exchange on the part of white.  You'd think white would want to play something more challenging such as 3.Nc3.

chamo2074

Yes I made a thread about it, https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/why-are-people-so-obsessed-by-trading-pawns-in-the-french

chamo2074

It is annoying really, but I guess it gets us even better results us with  black

Dsmith42

I'm not a fan of the French Defense, personally, because I don't like the difficulty developing the light-square bishop in the advance variation (1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5).  I know it's perfectly sound for black, but most of us don't have the patience for spending 15-20 moves on a freeing maneuver.  I have used it with black, and my results are not bad with it, but it just doesn't fit my preferred mode of play.

I am not an 1. e4 player anymore (I play the Reti as white these days), but back in high school I was, and many opponents then used the French, and not one of them even came away with so much as a draw against me with it.  I would always play the advance variation back then, they would always castle into trouble (you really shouldn't castle kingside if you can't keep a knight on f6), and then I'd have plenty of time and two mobile bishops to crush them with.

I will say this - Nimzowitsch's book (My System) is absolutely required to understand how to play the French Defense as black, and extremely helpful in understanding how to counter it with white.  The classical approach is insufficient.

What I play as black is 1. e4 e6 2. d4 b6, transposing from the French to the Owen Defense, which mobilizes both bishops from the start and prepares to attack white's pawn center immediately.  It did take me a long time to work out the important lines, as there is no book on the Owen, aside from Staunton's suggestion of an early c5, which is wrong (d5 is the eventual pawn thrust you should be preparing, and the c-pawn needs to stay home for this).

ThrillerFan

The Owen Defense is utter crap.  Simply avoid the English Defense, meaning do not play c4, and White is already significantly better.

I have played the Colle System maybe 30 times over the board and many times online.  I have played the French Defense religiously to eternity.

 

The French and Colle are BY FAR the two most common openings to see the Greek Gift Sacrifice.  I have had more successful Greek Gifts in Owen's Defense (all in favor of White) than I have in Colles and Frenches COMBINED!

ThrillerFan

The French is far and away the best opening!  Give me White (3.Nc3, 3.e5, or the KIA) or Black (Exchange, Advance w/ 5...Qb6, Tarrasch w/ 3...c5, Winawer (7...Qc7, 7...O-O, 7...Kf8, 7...Nf5), McCutchen, Classical, Steinitz, Rubinstein, etc.  Would be easier to say what I don't play as Black!  Advance Lines with an early ...Bd7, Guimmard, Burn, and pretty much discontinued the Closed Tarrasch.