Does anyone know more info on the Grivas sicilian?

I am a sicilian player and i find the Grivas sicilian very interesting. Can someone provide me with more info for this variation of the sicilian?

A line i know.

very interesting JackSparov17 you have the control of the centre of the board and you can begin your attack now

I will try that kind of Sicilian

Hmm.  5.Be3 is quite aggressive, and if this move works at all it does bring Black's entire opening into question.  You've clearly seen these lines somewhere before, any idea what Grivas thinks about this variation?

My instinct is, in the 6...dxc6 line, Black should drop back into the center 8...Qd6 rather than going out to the edge (8...Qa5).  If White plays 9.Nd2 to discourage ..e5, but it seems like Black can play ...e5! anyway and then meet Nc4 with ..Qg6.

@JohnClairlively thank you for your lively, if racist, contribution to the forum.

u forgot Santorini

Can you provide me with the name of the book?

I said that JohnClairlively's contribution was racist, I don't know if he himself is a racist or just trolling.

Also, I did not think of 9...Qc7, although it does make more sense than asserting onesself in the center while the opponent has a development advantage.  In the Aschere variation 12...Qxg2 is certainly a computer move especially since Black cannot even keep the second pawn, I believe I was looking at 12...f6 kicking the Ne5.  Although now that I am looking at it a little more it seems difficult for Black as after 13.f3 the Black Q is sent running around.

I meant that as an insult to the quality of the move, not speculation as to how you found it :)

I totally agree with you regarding the value of this opening as well.  It's a Scheveningen where Black is losing half a tempo to urge White to park his KN on b3, a piece he wouldn't otherwise have to retreat.  That's pretty much it.  Good for getting into a certain type of position while avoiding some of the theoretical pitfalls, if you don't care about giving White +=.

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On topic, I have never had any problem with White after 5.Nb3 when Black usually ended up playing ...Qb6-c7, but I have never met any serious opposition either.

I did some analysis on this line a few years ago; you can see it at my chess.com blog: http://www.chess.com/blog/DevinCamenares/an-egregious-gambit-in-the-grivas

In the two main lines, Black ends up a pawn, but White has compensation. It's enough compensation if Black takes the rook (White gets the rook back) but probably not enough if Black takes the b2 pawn and then retreats.

I plan on posting some analysis and a game featuring this line on my youtube channel in the near future.

A Complete Guide to the Grivas Sicilian by Efstratios Grivas (2005)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626205255/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen77.pdf

this variation is nothing new, it's actually a wrinkle in the accelerated dragon with a pinch of the poisened pawn variation thrown into the mix

The Grivas is a good surprise weapon, but I would recommend learning a more traditional line. Perhaps you would like the somewhat similar Kan

Five years later and nothing about the Grivas has changed. It's still lame.