Does anyone know to to start With "Mexican Opening"?

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Mac2night96

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darkunorthodox88

just play 3.nf3 and spoil black's fun.

testaaaaa
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

just play 3.nf3 and spoil black's fun.

eehhm then you end up in a nimzo-indian zürich variation chris sielecki wrote a whole book about it very playable for black  

darkunorthodox88
testaaaaa wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

just play 3.nf3 and spoil black's fun.

eehhm then you end up in a nimzo-indian zürich variation chris sielecki wrote a whole book about it very playable for black   

i forget where i saw the video on it, but GM Roman  Dzindzichashvili shows how those zurich lines are just plain bad for black.  the entire point of the mexican defense is 3.nc3 e5! anyways. 

 

might as well play 1.d4 nc6! and avoid getting boring transposition. Black can play 2.nf3 but at least you can choose between transposing to a a delayed chigorin with d5 or to some KID like system with 2.d6

darkunorthodox88

found it. 

 

https://www.chess.com/video/player/two-knight-tango

 

another thing you learn if you are experienced with systems like 1.nc3 d5 2.e4 and 1.e4 nc6 2.d4 e5/1.d4 nc6 2.c4 e5.   is that in the advanced variation of the openings where the knight usually transfers to the kingside, you want to delay the development of the king's knight until the opponent doesnt have time to play a very annoying h4 or h5. the point of delaying the king's knight is to allow the queen to eye that pawn once the knight transfers to g3/g6.  if such side plays a super early h4-h5. you can instead focus more on playing an early c3-c6 and do other things that make the h pawn thrust useless.

 

if the opponent desides to go for h4-h5 when the knight is already on g3-g6, then you can simply play h2-h6 and can hop back to e2-e7 with the bishop outside the the e4-d3/e5-d6 pawn chain. 

 

as you see in the move order of the mexican defense/two knight's tango, you already played the premature nf6 blocking both the f pawn without fully knowing if you want an early f5 and block the queen allowing a very early and borderline refuting h4.

 

so even if white plays 3.nc3, black is still not exactly great.

Mac2night96

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plall

Mexican opening? A stiff tequila. Er.. sorry.

Mac2night96

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testaaaaa
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

found it. 

 

https://www.chess.com/video/player/two-knight-tango

 

another thing you learn if you are experienced with systems like 1.nc3 d5 2.e4 and 1.e4 nc6 2.d4 e5/1.d4 nc6 2.c4 e5.   is that in the advanced variation of the openings where the knight usually transfers to the kingside, you want to delay the development of the king's knight until the opponent doesnt have time to play a very annoying h4 or h5. the point of delaying the king's knight is to allow the queen to eye that pawn once the knight transfers to g3/g6.  if such side plays a super early h4-h5. you can instead focus more on playing an early c3-c6 and do other things that make the h pawn thrust useless.

 

if the opponent desides to go for h4-h5 when the knight is already on g3-g6, then you can simply play h2-h6 and can hop back to e2-e7 with the bishop outside the the e4-d3/e5-d6 pawn chain. 

 

as you see in the move order of the mexican defense/two knight's tango, you already played the premature nf6 blocking both the f pawn without fully knowing if you want an early f5 and block the queen allowing a very early and borderline refuting h4.

 

so even if white plays 3.nc3, black is still not exactly great.

thanks for the inside, but you have to be careful with Dzindzichasvili- if he does not like an opening he exaggerates a lot, also called the budapest unplayable and said everyone should stay far away from the philidor lol

darkunorthodox88
testaaaaa wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

found it. 

 

https://www.chess.com/video/player/two-knight-tango

 

another thing you learn if you are experienced with systems like 1.nc3 d5 2.e4 and 1.e4 nc6 2.d4 e5/1.d4 nc6 2.c4 e5.   is that in the advanced variation of the openings where the knight usually transfers to the kingside, you want to delay the development of the king's knight until the opponent doesnt have time to play a very annoying h4 or h5. the point of delaying the king's knight is to allow the queen to eye that pawn once the knight transfers to g3/g6.  if such side plays a super early h4-h5. you can instead focus more on playing an early c3-c6 and do other things that make the h pawn thrust useless.

 

if the opponent desides to go for h4-h5 when the knight is already on g3-g6, then you can simply play h2-h6 and can hop back to e2-e7 with the bishop outside the the e4-d3/e5-d6 pawn chain. 

 

as you see in the move order of the mexican defense/two knight's tango, you already played the premature nf6 blocking both the f pawn without fully knowing if you want an early f5 and block the queen allowing a very early and borderline refuting h4.

 

so even if white plays 3.nc3, black is still not exactly great.

thanks for the inside, but you have to be careful with Dzindzichasvili- if he does not like an opening he exaggerates a lot, also called the budapest unplayable and said everyone should stay far away from the philidor lol

the budapest kind of isnt lol the philidor has some trans-positional difficulties an while GM's dont like it (with exceptions like GM bauer) i think its an acceptable defense.

 

but anyways. i think Roman got it right on how easy is to leave black with an outright inferior position. To be fair though, i think Roman in the line he recommends ignored black playing a super early bxc3! where i think black is not so bad having the doubled pawns inflicted on white. But still, what i  said on the 3.nc3 line still applies

testaaaaa

budapest is a better surprise weapon than the dzinzi indian lol   

sergey kasparow also plays the philidor

ThrillerFan

The Zurich lines of the Nimzo are weaker than the lines with 4...O-O, 4...c5, and 4...b6, but it is not "totally" busted.  If 4...O-O is the Closed Ruy Lopez, 4...c5 is the Petroff, and 4...b6 was the Philidor, 4...Nc6 would be somewhere in between the Schliemann and the Latvian Gambit.

 

And compared to other video authors, I trust Roman about as much as I trust Andrew Martin.  There are far better out there. 

ThrillerFan
plall wrote:

Mexican opening? A stiff tequila. Er.. sorry.

Technically it is called the Mexican Defense, and some people know it more by its unofficial name, the two Knights tango.

darkunorthodox88
ThrillerFan wrote:

The Zurich lines of the Nimzo are weaker than the lines with 4...O-O, 4...c5, and 4...b6, but it is not "totally" busted.  If 4...O-O is the Closed Ruy Lopez, 4...c5 is the Petroff, and 4...b6 was the Philidor, 4...Nc6 would be somewhere in between the Schliemann and the Latvian Gambit.

 

And compared to other video authors, I trust Roman about as much as I trust Andrew Martin.  There are far better out there. 

you cant dismiss what roman says so naively when we are discussing specific positions. if you are so skeptical, show where his analysis is wrong.

 

because if you tell me one of the main lines of an otherwise exciting offbeat openings, leads to a position with less space and a freely given bishop pair in compensation for....well nothing, then i must question your sanity (this is assuming you are an expert players and above).

darkunorthodox88

to add yet another problem to the list.

 

1.d4 nf6 2.c4 nc6 3.nf3 e6 4.a3  also ruins black's fun. now the queen knight is just backwards here. When black aims for a nimzo indian and white plays a super early a3 avoiding bb4, black can usually equalize by playing for d5 and c5 making the a3 tempo a waste on the central battle. Here black cant try the same strategy since the c-pawn is blocked. Also aftter 4.a3 d5  that light squared bishop is just awful.

ThrillerFan
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

The Zurich lines of the Nimzo are weaker than the lines with 4...O-O, 4...c5, and 4...b6, but it is not "totally" busted.  If 4...O-O is the Closed Ruy Lopez, 4...c5 is the Petroff, and 4...b6 was the Philidor, 4...Nc6 would be somewhere in between the Schliemann and the Latvian Gambit.

 

And compared to other video authors, I trust Roman about as much as I trust Andrew Martin.  There are far better out there. 

you cant dismiss what roman says so naively when we are discussing specific positions. if you are so skeptical, show where his analysis is wrong.

 

because if you tell me one of the main lines of an otherwise exciting offbeat openings, leads to a position with less space and a freely given bishop pair in compensation for....well nothing, then i must question your sanity (this is assuming you are an expert players and above).

 

I cannot say I have seen this specific video of his.  I am going based on a couple of his that I have seen a while ago combined with reputation of what others in the local area have said about him.

 

I have seen many Martin videos and they are for the most part weak.

 

And to answer your question about an I expert or above, been an expert for a decade and a half and the last 5 years have sat steady between 2050 and 2150.