Does the perfect opening exist? Guidance needed :))

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Hi Guys. 

I am looking for an opening that is:

- Punishing

If I know the theory and the opponent does not, I want this to give me an advantage. Unlike some openings where the opponent just plays natural moves and is in most cases completely fine. Instead, I want the opponent to quickly be at a disadvantage if they don't know/play the main moves.

- Unpopular

Players at my level only know some theory for the main openings. I want to take them outside of their prep.

- Less theoretical/forced 

An opening where the opponent does not have 5 decent/book moves at each turn. This to actually make it possible to memorize some lines that I then consistently meet in games. 

-And somewhat sound

I am planning to invest some time learning openings now and want to be able to use them if I one day reach 2000 territory. The English and the Bird, all tough not entirely unsound, seem unconvincing. All though I might be wrong not considering these. 

I just reached 1600. I am figuring this is the time to finally take openings seriously to reach the next level. I play the Italian, smith mora, or Danish gambit for white. My plan is to start learning d4 and the Trompowsky. I need however something to complement it, and the London and Colle seem unconvincing. For black, I play the caro and the Budapest gambit. I am okay with my black repertoire but suggestions are welcome, I of course lack a defence if the opponent plays d4 but does not follow with c4. I have spent some time now looking for an opening but still have not found anything that meets the following criteria, so I am turning to all of you chess legends for help.

I know I am asking for a perfect opening, and that It might not exist. It is mainly for white I am looking for something. My wish to explore d4 is mainly because I need something fresh. The Trampowsky is the closest I have come to finding this perfect opening so far, do you agree with this assessment? I Like both closed and open positions, and the criteria listed above are more important than the “type” of game an opening leads to. I am also aware that the answer to my question might be a sideline of a main opening for which suggestions are more than welcome. Thanks in advance!

Cheers!

Avatar of PromisingPawns

U didn't read your post, but from the title I could say, there's NO such thing as dream /perfect opening. U might hate one line of an opening,while liking the other lines. Same with repertoires.

Avatar of StokkLarsT

Haha, I guess the title was to clickbaity and put you off. Maybe i should clarify: I am looking for openings that are as close to these criterias as possible. Well aware that few things in life are perfect.

Avatar of 1Lindamea1
Vienna game for white is very punishing. Alapin sicilian, wing gambit french, fantasy caro kann and three pawn(austrian) attacks against hypermodern systems. Very punishing repertoire. For black basically any defence is punishing. French, caro and modern scandi can give you easy +2 advantage from the opening.
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lassus_dinnao skrev:
Vienna game for white is very punishing. Alapin sicilian, wing gambit french, fantasy caro kann and three pawn(austrian) attacks against hypermodern systems. Very punishing repertoire. For black basically any defence is punishing. French, caro and modern scandi can give you easy +2 advantage from the opening.

Thanks a lot!

Avatar of arosbishop

If you want an opening to hold at higher levels it must be solid and solid means one of the classical. You need QGD as both white and black. Trump do not work against 1 d5. CaroKann is solid and OK.

Avatar of PromisingPawns

Ok @StokkLars it might sound fake, but any good opening will work till like 2300. Just choose what you like and suits you. For that u have to understand what you like to do and then choose openings based on that. Not all openings suit everybody.

Avatar of The_Cool_Chess_Player

I have a suggestion for white, start with Nc3: it can lead to a very strong attack and is very rare.

  • If your opponent plays 1.e5

You can play the Napoleon attack which leads to a BIG attack (I think there is a thread on the theory and traps of this)

if your opponent plays 1.d5 you can do this:

I hope this helps happy.png
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@StokkLarsT

The Kings Gambit is your best option here. It is extremely theoretical, upopular, and you typically know it much better than black. allthough black has many 3rd moves, if you know how to face them you can typically do well especially if you know the ideas better then them.

also this variation can lead to very sharp, tactical games where you could win within the next 5-10 moves. both sides have chances

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Thanks guys happy.png)

Avatar of AngryPuffer

if ur opponent does not know what hes doing, he can often lose extremely quickly aswell

Avatar of AbyssGnasher

its different for all people and ratings and they have "legendary" openings if you are GM status but thats for them.

Avatar of AnUncutGem
The London System can be aggressive and is actually hated on and even called lazy by some chess players, which I think actually says a lot about it. If you know the theory there it could check some of these boxes for you. Learning more opening theory never hurts either way, the only way to win is to be adaptive.
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AnUncutGem wrote:
The London System can be aggressive and is actually hated on and even called lazy by some chess players, which I think actually says a lot about it. If you know the theory there it could check some of these boxes for you. Learning more opening theory never hurts either way, the only way to win is to be adaptive.

if black knows what hes doing its not at all and is very passive and boring

Avatar of Tahtakurusu1

London is called the lazy opening for a reason. People are using it for lazy purposes.

Avatar of MaetsNori

Some narrower, aggressive openings that are still in the "sound" realm:

- The Orangutan / Sokolsky (1.b4)

- The Nimzo-Larsen (1.b3)

- The Jobava London (d4 + Nc3 + Bf4)

- The Catalan (d4 + c4 + g3 + Bg2)

Avatar of Poweranony
If you manage to get it, the napoleon attack is great (1. Nc3 e5 2. Nf3 nc6 3. D4) also reached by 1. Nf3 nc6 2. Nc3 e5 3. D4
Black has to watch out for many knights maneuvers and tactics, and white doesn’t have to defend a weak e4 pawn so it is basically an improved version of the scotch
However if you play nc3 black can still respond with better moves like d5, c5 or nf6.
Avatar of gik-tally

Right now, the mieses gambit and hartlaub/charlick gambit are perfect FOR ME...

Others? Not so much

If you're looking for aggressive and want "the best", go straight to the Vienna gambit. I'll stick to my King's knight gambit move order with a side order of Smith morra gambit and my triple decker BDG gedult Scandinavian, alapin diemer French and 2:1 stats against FORMER nightmare carokans with the mieses gambit I stumbled into by accident confusing the overrated maroczy fantasy variation and had instantly better stats with THE BEST f7 zooming anti-caro variation. 3.Be3 4.f3 5.Nxf3 6.Bc4 and punish EVERY Caro that tries Nf6/Bg4. That's so much spanking, my hand gets tired... NO PUN INTENDED

Gotham & Nakumura both rate the Vienna as top 5 and super strong and some other GM commented on just how trappy and poison the line is. Why you can even transpose *cough cough* into King's Gambit

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1983B-Boy wrote:

Right now, the mieses gambit and hartlaub/charlick gambit are perfect FOR ME...

Others? Not so much

If you're looking for aggressive and want "the best", go straight to the Vienna gambit. I'll stick to my King's knight gambit move order with a side order of Smith morra gambit and my triple decker BDG gedult Scandinavian, alapin diemer French and 2:1 stats against FORMER nightmare carokans with the mieses gambit I stumbled into by accident confusing the overrated maroczy fantasy variation and had instantly better stats with THE BEST f7 zooming anti-caro variation. 3.Be3 4.f3 5.Nxf3 6.Bc4 and punish EVERY Caro that tries Nf6/Bg4. That's so much spanking, my hand gets tired... NO PUN INTENDED

Gotham & Nakumura both rate the Vienna as top 5 and super strong and some other GM commented on just how trappy and poison the line is. Why you can even transpose *cough cough* into King's Gambit

the vienna gambit is dubious and often resorts in boring games

Avatar of Tahtakurusu1

Problem with the Vienna Gambit is pretty much a single line neutralizes the game immediately. And then more than most of the times its just an akward endgame.