French exchange:why does everyone play this?!

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pfren

Ummm, the Armenian...

Is there something new against white's continuation in Volokitin-Vaganian? If not, then the position does not appeal to me.

pfren
Ricardo_Morro wrote:

In my experience the French Exchange is played by aggressive attacking players who just want to get some open lines and avoid the prepared lines of Black's French. Often the French is played by positional players who like semiclosed games and who don't like those open lines, even when they have equality.


Absolutely the contrary. Main line Winawer is basically a tactical mess, where white has a pawn more and great control on the dark squares, but many times he cannot move his knight from e2 (where it obstructs the f1 bishop) until move twenty-five, or so.

The exchange French is symmetrical dullness, excluding 4.c4, which is more active, but transposes to an IQP position which is quite easy for Black to handle.

DrSpudnik

Given the database results: you should be happy if they play the exchange. All the problems and complications from the Tarrasch or Classical are gone instantly! And, since people are generally trying to avoid studying what to do against the French, they probably have no idea how to play that any better than any other line.

Strikerfm1

No sooner than I had read this thread,I jumped online to play a quick blitz game. I had the white pieces,and opened up with e4,and my opponent played ...e6. What are the odds? since I had the french exchange on my mind, I went for it! here's the game!

 

pfren

Actually the opening on # 30 is Queen's gambit accepted ( the normal move order is 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dc4 3.e3 e5 4.Bxc4 ed4 5.ed4). Via the French move order, Black has o be cooperative to take on c4 that early. Other than that, the whole Nge2/f4 idea is simply very bad, but Black obviously had a day off (ot two).

dmeng
DonnieDarko1980 wrote:

My experience is that here on chess.com live chess most white opponents play the advance variation against the French, while in my OTB tournament games most play the exchange variation ...


Huh. I guess I should play more often then; the French Advance happens to be a personal favorite as Black.

pfren
FirebrandX wrote:

The french exchange actually is quite a tight-rope when played down the main line. Just be happy if your opponent doesn't know theory on it. I've been down that road and actually gave up the french because the exchange theory line always left me uncomfortable. I switched to the CK and have liked it considerably more.


Nonsensical engine logic, probably from the same sources that claim 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Qe2 Qe7 6.d3 Nf6 7.Nc3 is an advantage for white.

Noone sane enough will take these things seriously.

CerebralAssassin

hmmm....anyone know any good books on the theory of the French? (Winawer,Tarrasch,Classical,Advance etc)

it's time for me to delve into a bit of theory after scratching on the surface of this great opening for so long Tongue out

peterjoac

A lot of French players dislike the exchange variation because it takes them out of their deepest preparation.  The solution: play the French against someone who can out book you.  You'll develop a new appreciation for the exchange variation.

pfren
CerebralAssassin wrote:

hmmm....anyone know any good books on the theory of the French? (Winawer,Tarrasch,Classical,Advance etc)

it's time for me to delve into a bit of theory after scratching on the surface of this great opening for so long


Moskalenko, Vitiugov, Psakhis, Williams, Watson, McDonald, Eingorn... the choice is ample.

blake78613

Paul Morphy played it.  William Lombardy recommended it for club players stating that there is no such thing as a drawing variation below the level of master.  It can be played for psychological effect, giving Black a false sense of security. 

pfren
blake78613 wrote:

 ...giving Black a false sense of security. 


Define "security" please.

Black has almost equalized as early as move three, but this does not mean he can play nonsense. If he does, he will lose, of course.

Arctor

IM pfren wrote: "I will just mention that one of the nicest Capa victories starts like 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Nc3 (oh yes!) Nf6 5.d3 d6 6.Bg5 (violating the well-known Lasker aphorism) which of course results in a flat, boring position.

Final result? A fine positional victory for white, playing the definition of simple chess.

If THAT opening is "good", then I fail to spot why the Colle isn't." 

 

Equality means nothing until the scoresheets are signed

blake78613
pfren wrote:
blake78613 wrote:

 ...giving Black a false sense of security. 


Define "security" please.

Black has almost equalized as early as move three, but this does not mean he can play nonsense. If he does, he will lose, of course.


I am not sure I can define security without engaging in circular definitions.  What I mean is that many Black players having equalized feel that they can't lose.  The position is open and development and initiative is all important. If Black doesn't actively  fight he can lose.  The other point is that some Black players convince themselves that White is only playing for a draw because he played the exchange variation, and relax their guard.

CerebralAssassin
pfren wrote:
CerebralAssassin wrote:

hmmm....anyone know any good books on the theory of the French? (Winawer,Tarrasch,Classical,Advance etc)

it's time for me to delve into a bit of theory after scratching on the surface of this great opening for so long


Moskalenko, Vitiugov, Psakhis, Williams, Watson, McDonald, Eingorn... the choice is ample.


ah ok....thanks for that.was just looking into the Watson book...it has good reviews....I'lll look into those other ones too Smile

I managed to get an interesting game from the exchange a while ago

pfren

I mainly like the books by Moskalenko (they are two, both very good) and Eingorn (which is sort-of-complete repertoire book, based on 1...e6). Psahkis is a (slightly outdated) encyclopedia of the French, and Watson... errr, Watson- pretty knowledgeable about the opening, but hardly subjective. And frustratingly flawed analyses (what sort of computer does he use?). Vitiugov's book shows that the author knows his stuff very well, but the book itself is a footwork.

TheOldReb

I dont have Moskalenko's book on the Winawer but its at the top of my "to get " list .  Is it as good as his Flexible French ? 

pfren

Yes, IMO it's equally good. Moskalenko's books are love'em or hate'em, the man is very expressive and he shows his contempt about computer-generated analysis whenever applicable- but the content is entertaining, educative and authoritative. Viktor is an excellent writer.

helltank
Arctor wrote:
CerebralAssassin wrote:

well "everyone" is a bit of exaggeration....but most people play it here yes...it's frustrating.


 That's why


Chess isn't just about mating your opponent's king... you also have to mindscrew him. 

Anonymous_U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDoU8hWGVS4

 

Superchess GURU on YouTube Shows a way to make the French Exchange Variation more exciting.  He made his own system, and I've played it.  It works out really well, and he has had great results with it.  He has won every game so far with it.