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Musikamole

I honestly don't know. Is there a gambit opening to play with the Black pieces against 1.e4?

I forgot to try google. The Elephant Gambit and the Latvian Gambit were the first two to pop up. Do they work?

Musikamole

Bump One

Does anyone have an opinion on any gambits against 1.e4? Do you have a favorite gambit against 1.e4?  Should Black never dare to take on 1.e4 with a gambit?

Chess_Enigma

Portugese Gambit is probably the best. But honeslty if you want a sharp game just play the sicilian, or anything else against e4. There are so many good choices it is hard to choose one!

chess_windows

centre counter/marshall gambit;Ruy Lopez/Schliemann Defence

Musikamole
Chess_Enigma wrote:

Portugese Gambit is probably the best. But honeslty if you want a sharp game just play the sicilian, or anything else against e4. There are so many good choices it is hard to choose one!


Thanks for the response.

I would very much like to play the Sicilian in live chess, but my rating is too low, to where no one knows to play d4 as White. With this problem, I have no idea what to do with my c5 pawn. It sticks out like a sore thumb, not getting exchanged with White's d-pawn.

Is there a line I can play after 1.e5 c5...where White does not play d4? I usually see White playing d3. I honestly don't know how to play the Sicilian when White plays d3.

DragoniteTWG

I like playing e4, d5, then if e5, f6? though it is a question mark i like it because if d4 then nc6 or instead of e5 e4xd5, then c6

Musikamole
strateg wrote:

centre counter/marshall gambit;Ruy Lopez/Schliemann Defence


The Marshall Gambit looks awesome. Thank you!

I have never seen the Marshall Gambit before. Here's an example of a game in 2010 where two super GM's draw in this line. Both are extremely famous, so this line must be completely sound. Cool

 


Musikamole

The Ruy Lopez - Schliemann Defence played by two super GM's.I never would have thought of pushing the f-pawn. I always thought it was very dangerous to push the f-g-h pawn on the short castle side in the opening, and if you do push one of them, it's the h pawn - and only for a really, really good reason. Very cool stuff. Please keep these gambit lines against 1.e4 coming. Thank you!

Isn't that the Alehkine Gun that Magnus Carlsen puts into play on move 16. Wow. All of Black's three major pieces gunning down the f-file. Cool

 


Musikamole
DieHardGiantsFan wrote:

I like playing e4, d5, then if e5, f6? though it is a question mark i like it because if d4 then nc6 or instead of e5 e4xd5, then c6


Interesting move order. I only found 20 games in ChessBase with d4 and Nc6.

Here are the strongest players with that line. Enjoy.

Black does have a healthy number of pawns in the center. Also, White did not capture the f6 pawn. Interesting. Would exf6 be an error on White's part. I would be ok with that playing the Black pieces. Cool

 


madhatter5

danish gambit, kings gambit

The-Lost-Man

Play a gambit immediately with 1.f5. But it's risky.

rigamagician

There's the French Winawer poisoned pawn.

yorugua

Maybe the best of them all is the Marshall Attack. I always avoid it when I am White by playing h3 instead of c3.

Musikamole
Gambitking wrote:
Musikamole wrote:

I honestly don't know. Is there a gambit opening to play with the Black pieces against 1.e4?

I forgot to try google. The Elephant Gambit and the Latvian Gambit were the first two to pop up. Do they work?


Musikamole,

Both the Elephant Gambit, and especially the Latvian Gambit, work very well. In fact, the Latvian Gambit has the SINGLE HIGHEST WIN PERCENTAGE of any of Black's second moves across all levels of play! Of course, it has the highest loss percentage as well, but that's just chess, right? I mean, Brett Favre throws an interception every once in a while...

Anyways, though, don't let Conzipe indoctrinate you! I've been here over two years longer than he has, and I don't want you to let me indoctrinate you, either! You have to find your own style!

However, I would be interested in playing some games with you if you wanted to practise some ideas (and I could share some new gambits I've come up with you might be interested in...)

The Gambit King


For blitz, The Latvian Gambit looks like tons of fun to play. If I saw it for the first time with the White pieces, I would pause and ponder, which does not help when the clock is ticking!


The-Lost-Man
get_lost wrote:
The-Lost-Man wrote:

Play a gambit immediately with 1.f5. But it's risky.


1.f5 is illegal. If you meant 1...f5, the Fred defence, then I mentioned that earlier.


Tier's Counter-gambit. It can't be called a defence when it's a gambit. It sacrifices a pawn so it's no defence. 

trigs
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werdnabd1

I'm gonna make a mental note for later practice of  The Martshall and the Scandinavian. The're look pretty cool.

rigamagician

In my database of 250000 GM games, the Philidor 2...d6 scored 18% wins, 2...Nc6 17%, the Latvian 2...f5 13%, the Petroff 2...Nf6 10% and 2...Qe7 9%.  The Latvian might be fun for blitz games against players with low ratings, but it doesn't fare so well at the top level.

TheOldReb
Gambitking wrote:

Musikamole, thanks a lot for highlighting the most important part of my post--it's true, kids--the Latvian Gambit has the HIGHEST WINNING PERCENTAGE of any single opening!


 This is almost as bad as encouraging kids to smoke.... Wink

BirdBrain

Try the Icelandic Gambit 1. e4 d5 2. exd Nf6 followed by 3...e6 followed by 4...Bxe6, for instance.  This opening can give White some headaches if he isn't prepared.