gambit (very likely unsound)
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erikido23
Jun 29, 2008
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#1
an accidental gambit I played in a blitz game. Any thoughts or ideas. Also have you ever seen this position before? I certainly hadn't
I prefer black's position at the end because he has 2 pawns in the center while white has none.
The Game Explorer says 5. c3 is the most played move instead of 5. Nc3.
im not sure, but black cant castle to safty anymore and thats an important note
Black also has the bishop pair...
5.c3 is the most common move for a reason. I think it's the best, and I've had some good results. White can play Bf4 and get great development in this line, and if ...Bg4 at some point before white plays Nf3, white has the annoying Qb3.
Yeah. Black can't castle kingside and if he castles queenside the king will not been in a safe spot.
Interesting post.
Jun 29, 2008
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#6
Some people complain, "You're analyzing a blitz game." Now they can complain, "You're analyzing a touch move." However, Anand found a new move in his preparation that way. He made a mouse slip, leaving a piece hanging. His chess engine liked the move. The position did not come up in his next tournament, but came up in the same event a year later (2008) and he won. In this case, Black even if OK at the end, can be more active with 6...Rxh7 7.Qxd4 Nf6. As suggested by GotGoose and rgrizzard, 5.c3 is played. Then Black usually responds Nf6, but Dreev likes Qc7.
New ideas are always interesting. Even though I don't personally play Karo-Kann, good job! 
4.c4 would have been the panov-botvinnik attack
Jun 29, 2008
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#9
GreenLaser wrote: Some people complain, "You're analyzing a blitz game." Now they can complain, "You're analyzing a touch move." However, Anand found a new move in his preparation that way. He made a mouse slip, leaving a piece hanging. His chess engine liked the move. The position did not come up in his next tournament, but came up in the same event a year later (2008) and he won. In this case, Black even if OK at the end, can be more active with 6...Rxh7 7.Qxd4 Nf6. As suggested by GotGoose and rgrizzard, 5.c3 is played. Then Black usually responds Nf6, but Dreev likes Qc7.
I was expecting him to play 6rxh7. If that happened then I felt it was a pretty natural game with b-f4, and castles 0-0-0 and n-f3. Whether or not I would be better is definitely another question. BUt, it does seem to be an interesting position.
As for 5. c3 that is normally the way I play the position.
On another noteNow that I look at it again another way to play the gambit would be to play 5.b-c4. I might experiment with this one tonight.
5. Bc4 doesn't work, because after dxc4, the black knight is protected by the queen, so you're just down a piece. As for the gambit overall, I think GreenLaser nailed it with the Rxh7 line, which leaves the black rook on a semi-open file, which is pretty strong, even though he can't castle.
This gambit might work in blitz, and it's good that you're experimenting, but I just don't think it's very strong. I'd never use it in a slow game.
--Fromper
Jul 2, 2008
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#11
Fromper wrote:
5. Bc4 doesn't work, because after dxc4, the black knight is protected by the queen, so you're just down a piece. As for the gambit overall, I think GreenLaser nailed it with the Rxh7 line, which leaves the black rook on a semi-open file, which is pretty strong, even though he can't castle.
This gambit might work in blitz, and it's good that you're experimenting, but I just don't think it's very strong. I'd never use it in a slow game.
--Fromper
THat should have said b-f4. As to the half open file. White can castle queenside and the half open file is far from dangerous it seems.
Jul 2, 2008
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#12
Here is a "horrible" move against the Caro-Kann that you can try in blitz if you like.
Jul 2, 2008
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#13
BirdBrain wrote: Here is a "horrible" move against the Caro-Kann that you can try in blitz if you like.
hmm...that is horrible. And I like it lol. I have seen something like that on move 2 in a sicilian. I believe it was suggested in an article by schiller.
i HAVE AN IDEA!
Jul 2, 2008
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#15
BirdBrain, It seems to me that after 3. e5 h5 you have to play 4. f3, allowing Black counterplay with c5, Nc6, and Qb6 (or else let the Black Bishop into f5).
vj1, how about showing how play might proceed after White plays the obvious gambit 8. e6?
NM David Forthoffer
Jul 2, 2008
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#16
DavidForthoffer said, "It seems to me that after 3. e5 h5 you have to play 4. f3." Black's h5 is premature. White would not have to play f3 and should not elect to play it. Many other moves are good. For example, 4.c4. If you like 4.f3, play the Fantasy Variation, with 3.f3 instead of 3.e5.
Jul 3, 2008
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#17
I actually found that best after nxd4 was probably n-f3. It actually seems to be a fairly playable position from there...If b-g4 then b-b5+ etc.
And thanks to all. This discussion has been very educational.
Jul 3, 2008
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#18
vj1 wrote:
i HAVE AN IDEA!
That idea of your was simply the advance varition with f3 ( it normaily is straight back to g6 and then h7)
If you exchange in a caro(i usally dont)the best move is almost always 4)C4 a similar postion to the Queens Gambit but black has the endgame andvatage with an extra central pawn!