Help me solve this gigantic hole in my repertoire: 1. Nf3 g6

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Skynet hat geschrieben:

@Rumo75:

In the variation you quote, White has moved his c-Pawn on move 3...

If White doesn't move his c-Pawn, then it would go like this instead: 1. Nf3 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. g3 c5 4. d5 d6

But here Black is definitely not in an "inferior Benoni", in fact Black is probably already equal.

Ah, at this point c5 is possible, yes. I'm afraid what I wrote earlier is correct then, there is no solution to your problem. You have to play something that is outside your comfort zone.

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Then just learn an additional line for the Fianchetto Benoni. You're making a big deal out of nothing. This id just silliness.

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Skynet wrote:

@Rumo75:

In the variation you quote, White has moved his c-Pawn on move 3...

If White doesn't move his c-Pawn, then it would go like this instead: 1. Nf3 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. g3 c5 4. d5 d6

But here Black is definitely not in an "inferior Benoni", in fact Black is probably already equal.

First- why equal?

Second- are you playing in the 2200 league to care about such "equalities"?

To me this is just a normal position, where white can certainly play for an advantage.

Way too obsessed with openings, I think.

Since you will rarely meet 1...g6, play something simple like 2.d4 Bg7 3.c3, or, if you want to challenge Black, 3.e4!

The classical pirc/ modern is easy to learn.

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That is wildness

1.Nf3  g6  2. c4  Bg7 3. g3  e5!?

 

Well the position looks like a English vs KID  position.

 

It makes sense. However, That is still pretty funny.

Have you ever tryed the  Petrosian System against the Gruenfeld and KID?

 

Well it is not called the Petrosian System against the KID. However, it has some very close moves.

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chessterd5 wrote:

You can't always get what you want...

But if you try sometimes, You just might find...

You get what you need!...yeah, yeah

Seriously, no disrespect intended, if you are afraid to play d4, you are probably not read

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@ FM Amperio2100

What happens after the moves


1.Nf3 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 e5 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4

Than the move 5...Ne7! 

Booooom

Yes this feels right!

Surely this is the way to go as black.

The black position is surely very flexible in this position.

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4. g3,... is always an option but I did not mention it cause it was outside the OP's repetoire.

XJ player, I'm uncertain where this goes but it seems reasonable if white plays d4. I think we continue to develop & play chess. I think white wants a king-side fianchetto & o-o.

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@ Levon31

I would not play the line out that way. I would play 6...d6


White would love to trade off a knight.

To get the black knight off of e7.

As long as the black knight is on e7 and white can't make it move away.

Than f5 breaks the bind supported by 4 pieces. Wink

It avoids damaged pawn structure as well.

In the line the FM showed bxc6.

However, if there is no knight on c6 the b pawn never has to take.

What exactly is the knight on d4 doing? It can not prevent the f5 pawn move.

Soon black will castle f5 will come supported 4 times.

White king is not yet castled.

They can not prevent f5 and castle at the same time. Something will have to give.

I think black is doing fine here.

After 6...d6 I believe blacks position is very flexible.

They can wait and see what white does and play from there.

They have some long term idea's with f5.

They also have ways of trading stuff off etc.

Well honestly I guess you can say both sides are fine.

The only thing which makes me like black more in this position would be the fact this position is very similar to some KID vs g3 systems.

Black does often take on d4 and in this case the light square bishop is not on g2 which is often a dangerious piece.

I think the fact the white bishop is not on g2 in this position gives up some of the sting in the white position.

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Here is a game played in 2015 in a similar position.

Well it started off with different move order yet the position looks like the one above.

White is rated 2332

Black is rated 2500

Game ended in a draw.

In this game white thought it was in his best interested to fianchetteo. Which I believe he is right!

White played g3 right away at move 7!

After white played g3 black saw white was doing a very positional approach to the game.

Which is why he tryed to simplify some of the pieces.

When you do not have alot of space its good to trade off some pieces.

If you keep all the pieces on the board with limited space a positional player can try and probe you making it hard for you to defend since your pieces will stumble over each other.

If white didn't play g3 perhaps black would of not played Nbc6 than.

Which gives black such flexibility.

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Levon31 wrote:

I agree that all the exchanges on d4 are probably not best for black, but it was just an illustration. If black just sits on his position, white will have a stable advantage.

True!

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My first move is 1Nf3. I go for the Maroczy bind. It fits in the mindset of your repertoire. In the Sicilian move order it is the first choice of the world top against the accelerated dragon.