How do you apply the Socratic Method in chess?

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chester6 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:


8 3/4. Newcastle United 1 0 Liverpool.

Why?! I was enjoying your comment, and you ruined it.>>

I'm sorry, since I admit I saw your Liverpool badge and aimed my comment at you. I hope you don't take it personally. I've supported Newcastle since the 1960s and, boy, did they need that win!

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Socrates is dead.  My cat is dead.  Socrates is my dead cat.

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It all goes to show how helpful all these forums can be. I had never known what the Socratic Method was until reading about it here. Now I understand this is the same method that Judge Judy uses. The moral of the whole thing is never appear before Judge Judy. 

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zborg wrote:

Socrates is dead.  My cat is dead.  Socrates is my dead cat.


2 deads make a life...just like to lefts, make a u-turn. 

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Riv4L wrote:

From a philosophical point of view, what would you do? how would you apply the socratic method in your analysis?

This may be an interesting philosophical question, but chess is about applying in practise what you know and study and adding some creative ideas found at the moment.

einstein99 wrote:

In the end using the Socratic method just gets you killed!

To be accurate for those who don't know, he committed suicide by accepting his punishment to drink some kind of poison, although he had the chance to escape. How can one understand why he didn't save himself... Self destructive man.

Elubas wrote:
Personally I don't see a need to be specifically socratic, but just do good logic like a sensible person would do. Know what your assumptions lead to, question them sometimes, etc. I think trying to pretend you're in a dialogue of Socrates will just confuse you more than help.

I will have to agree with this. Chess is a practical game, not a theoretical-philosophical dialogue including impressive mottos and verbal acrobatics, as Soc. did 2400 years ago.

ABOVE ALL don't believe that he is really respected and remembered in the place of his origin.

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I decided to merge my 3 comments, but how can I delete this and the next one now? How can we completely delete our "deleted" comments?

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I thought it was that Socrates believed in this "social contract" where, because he benefits from living under the government, he also respects their decision. He believed he was convicted unjustly, yet he felt that the decision wasn't up to him. And so he didn't want to go against whatever the jury intended I guess.

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wtf ??

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I think to an extent we all face this sort of thing. I might disagree with a law, maybe with good reason, but if that was grounds for breaking it, then everyone would just make their own rules, and break laws for dumb, arbitrary reasons that they convince themselves of.

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You wouldn't drink the poison, for God's sake. Suicide was an absurd decision.

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bgianis wrote:

You wouldn't drink the poison, for God's sake. Suicide was an absurd decision.

He was a man of principle.

You should be greatful. Since him the thing Greece has done well are his students and the Olympics.

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Greatful about what?

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He brings a respect for Greek civilisation through his philosophy.

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Ancient philosophers may have said some good mottos, but those were BC. Greece has a history of 2000 years of Orthodoxy. And this is what really brings respect, because those who met Orthodoxy through Greece and our tradition and language are grateful for this gift.

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Would rather you sorted out your economy to be honest.

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I was one of those who were speaking about the years of fat cows and the years of skinny cows. And I insisted on that as my close friends know. As an audient I called a local radio station 6-7 years ago and said that we have to do something about economy. But most of the people like to hear beautiful speaches and comfortable promises from the politicians. When I was telling that the loans from EU will have to be returned one day many would say that I was exaggerating.  A great percentage of the voters were drift by the promise "There is money, so much money was found to help the banks, won't we find money for the citizens?". And now they understand having been fooled, but... they still believe every bragging promise, every lie and rumour without filtering the information through their mind. Sometimes I am convinced that we gave the others the gift of Orthodoxy and we just threw it away from our lives, so we have to blame only our faults and nobody else.

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You seem reasonable, I feel guilty for my trolling now...

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There was a Broadway musical about Greece or was that Grease? 

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Unless chess pieces can somehow rationalize and ask questions, I don't see how this analogy could be possibly work.