how to break C00 French?

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It's Siegbert Tarrasch, not a hooker, nor a corporation, nor a junky with an IM title, who is basically a piece of shit. Anyway, Qe2 is Chigorin, which gives equality, and it's not a bad move.

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AdamovYuri wrote:

Learning the French defence is the worst way to waste your time on chess. once you get to 2100 level you will get constantly beaten and there wont be any chance for a better life in chess for you. You will have to switch to other correct defences like Ryu Lopez 

I love the Ryu Lopez, shoryuken variation.

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v_bogdanets wrote:

What is "shoryuken variation"?

Ryu Lopez was a fighting monk, famous for the shoryuken variation:

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This one is correct though.

If you are a Ryu player, you would know this.

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erik42085 wrote:

In blitz I've played 2.Qe2 against the french multiple times. Sad thing is I usually win lol. Especially in 3/0 blitz. Games usually go 1.e4 e6 2.Qe2..... black loses 20 seconds trying to figure why the #&$! I played Qe2 then plays d5 anyway. Yes I know it's a bad way to play but I hate every single French variation so I just play dumb stuff against it on occasion, and I like screwing with people 😁

This line can sometimes tranpose into the Kings Indian Attack lines.

Another move order is 1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Qe2

It is actually a very nice line to play.

So it is not sad at all!

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attack3456 wants a system for sunday.

U propose some things which are difficult to learn, such as 2.Qe2, because u have to know some KI type of position, and black can play many systems, with different structures.

Thats really a bad advice sorry...

Instead, what i proposed, wing gambit, is easy to handle and learn, quickly, and black is usually bad prepared against it.

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erik42085 wrote:

In blitz I've played 2.Qe2 against the french multiple times. Sad thing is I usually win lol. Especially in 3/0 blitz. Games usually go 1.e4 e6 2.Qe2..... black loses 20 seconds trying to figure why the #&$! I played Qe2 then plays d5 anyway. Yes I know it's a bad way to play but I hate every single French variation so I just play dumb stuff against it on occasion, and I like screwing with people 😁

 

I've call d the Exchange all sorts of cowardly names, but in blitz I play it frequently. Often via 1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4.

 

2.c4 gains a few seconds when Black is not premoving 2...d5.

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poucin wrote:

attack3456 wants a system for sunday.

U propose some things which are difficult to learn, such as 2.Qe2, because u have to know some KI type of position, and black can play many systems, with different structures.

Thats really a bad advice sorry...

Instead, what i proposed, wing gambit, is easy to handle and learn, quickly, and black is usually bad prepared against it.

If you are talking to me.

Than I believe you are confused a little bit.

I only proposed to the OP to learn the Kings Indian Attack on post #3.

Several post afterwards:

Erik42085 suggested the move 2.Qe2.

I than responded to erik42085 comment.

Erik42085 seemed to be under the assumption 2.Qe2 is sad or bad.

I personally don't think it is sad or bad.

It is playable for sure.

Some high level players have used it successfully.


I think if the OP wants to play stuff like 2.Qe2 or 3.Qe2.

They should first learn to play the KIA.

Since those are the positions which can stem from those moves.

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what i said about Qe2 is the same about d3, where structure is the same...

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Maybe he means white should play the first 5 or 6 moves the same, no matter what black does, and then guess from move 7 onwards.

It does make the opening study very simple... because you don't bother to learn it at all!

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That's funny. I had no idea Qe2 was actually a line. I just hate the French so one day in blitz I decided I'm guna jam Qe2 and see what happens. I kept winning so I kept playing it. I often wind up playing a KIA type of game. Now I'm guna have to study this line and try it in longer games lol.

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erik42085 wrote:

In blitz I've played 2.Qe2 against the french multiple times. Sad thing is I usually win lol. Especially in 3/0 blitz. Games usually go 1.e4 e6 2.Qe2..... black loses 20 seconds trying to figure why the #&$! I played Qe2 then plays d5 anyway. Yes I know it's a bad way to play but I hate every single French variation so I just play dumb stuff against it on occasion, and I like screwing with people 😁

This line can sometimes tranpose into the Kings Indian Attack lines.

Another move order is 1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Qe2

It is actually a very nice line to play.

So it is not sad at all!

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poucin wrote:

https://www.chess.com/video/player/spicy-gambits-french-wing-gambit

easy to learn and effective.

But if u are 1400, u shouldnt focus on opening too much...

Just respect principles...

beat me to it

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First time I saw Qe2 I was playing a casual game with a friend. I said "oh come on, take that back and play a real move" and he said "this is a real move!"

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poucin wrote:

what i said about Qe2 is the same about d3, where structure is the same...

You honestly can say with a straight face the move 2.d3 is bad advice!

After telling the OP to learn the Wing Gambit?

At least my bad advice 2.d3 line is sound!!!!

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2.d3 or 2.Qe2 may be more sound than wing gambit, but not sure they are better.

But its not the most important, as i told before (u should learn to read instead of shouting and telling craps), wing gambit is easy to learn and handle, no need to know so much, i can't say the same for KIA positions.

So its exactly what OP is searching, because he has just few days to prepare something...

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X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
poucin wrote:

what i said about Qe2 is the same about d3, where structure is the same...

You honestly can say with a straight face the move 2.d3 is bad advice!

After telling the OP to learn the Wing Gambit?

At least my bad advice 2.d3 line is sound!!!!

I'll play a wing gambit in otb classical time control against anybody under a master.

I've actually switched to the wing gambit after playing the tarrasch (which I know inside and out) for yearsss, since I learned the game in fact.  it's one of the most tactically richest lines out there IMO

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Wing gambit is actually better than you might think. Practically impossible for black to solve it on his own OTB while white's moves are relatively easy. And most sub-masters will have very little (or low quality) prep on it.

I would expect at worst you would get an equal position.

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Calling the police just in case makes also sense.

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Short notice makes recommendations perilous. 

An easy line to learn that is almost never seen is 2.b3. 

Poucin's recommendation of the Wing gambit is certainly interesting. 

I believe the French Advance Variation is pretty easy to learn in a few days. Of course, Black should be ready to face the Advance Variation, but Sveshnikov made it into a fearsome weapon.

If you're interested in the Advance Variation, go to chessgames.com or some similar database site and look at games played by Sveshnikov starting with 

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5! 



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poucin wrote:

up to 2200 fide rating level, if black knows well its stuff, its almost 100% win...

It was the case for me for a long time.

I dont play the french anymore but facing exchange was a kind of piece of cake, life is really easy for black.

Care to share what general lines or type of setups you would go for as Black in the exchange variation? I'm learning the French right now and I would say the exchange variation is atleast 50% of my French games, so any tips or pointers would be a great help, thanks.