how to break C00 French?

That Frank Marshall brilliancy makes the first part of the game palatable. It's sometimes been called the most brilliant move ever played. But that opening was utter tripe. 

The French exchange being good for black makes no sense. Binary code dude is right. A symmetrical position with white to move and black is better?

Better than black itself in other variations, maybe.

Believe it.

The stats say Black has a 51.5% score in the French exchange.  

I ran stats for games between players rated +2500. The score was exactly 50%. I then filtered out the quick draws, and the score was still exactly 50%. Interestingly though, the draw rate was only 44%. In other words, the position may be equal, but it's not drawish unless the players want the game to be drawn. 

Watson's evaluation of the Exchange Variation appears to be correct.

I was the one who was insulted!

I came to this forum offering advice.

I gave the OP a line which is considered respected in the Chess community & backed by Grand Masters!

The Kings Indian Attack!

Pouncin than gave his suggested line the Wing Gambit.

I said nothing to him!

Pouncin than decided to insult me by saying the Advice I gave the OP was bad advice!!!!!

I have every right to be offended here!

Who is Pouncin to say my line suggestion the KIA is bad advice?

I don't have a title which is true!!

However, I don't need a title to suggest a line which has been Okay'ed by Grand Masters.

Furthermore, It has been played by Grand Masters!

Bobby Fischer used to play the KIA against the French.

Bobby Fischer even has some novelty games using the KIA against the French!

Pouncin is not challenging my understanding!

Pouncin is challenge the understanding of Grand Masters by saying my suggestion is bad!

Because Grand Masters said the KIA is extremely playable against the French.

Grand Master Roman Dzindzichashvili has even made comments about the Wing Gambit.

He made comments on the French Wing Gambit and the Sicilian Wing Gambit going as far as to say "These lines are bad openings".

In one of his video's he even says people who play the Wing Gambit must have a vendetta against there pawns!

At which point he says if they have a vendetta against there pawns they shouldn't even play chess and instead play another game which doesn't have pawns!

Pouncin is an International Master.

Pouncin is not a Grand Master!

Furthermore, Pouncin is not a mind reader!

Pouncin doesn't know what line the OP can learn and not learn!

Pouncin knows nothing about the OP.

The only thing Pouncin knows about the OP is that the OP has a tournament on Sunday.

Pouncin solution to the OP was to tell the OP to play the Wing Gambit!

A line which Grand Master Roman Dzindzichashvili said is a bad opening!

Furthermore, What is even more shocking is Pouncin following statement:

Wing gambit is easy to learn and handle, no need to know so much, i can't say the same for KIA positions.

So its exactly what OP is searching, because he has just few days to prepare something...

Pouncin is giving advice on the bases of the OP only having a few days?

Pouncin is ignoring quality advice and settling with giving the OP a line which is considered bad to reach his few days deadline?

Well eaguiraud if this is the position Pouncin is taking in this forum.

Than why stop at the Wing Gambit?

What if we tell the OP to play the move 1.f3 and run his king around in a circle for his Sunday OTB tournement?

Think of how fast he will learn how to do that?

A complete novice can play the move 1.f3 and run there king around.

It requires no knowledge of anything.

After all we don't care about quality advice now do we?

Tough break if the OP loses with the Wing Gambit or 1.f3.

It isn't our problem is it?

This no care attitude is exactly what Pouncin is doing!

I object on every level!

You may say it is not wise to insult players higher rated than me eaguiraud.

However, if you knew what Pouncin was doing eaguiraud.

You would feel urged to insult and stand up to this injustice as well!

Heh. I asked both poucin and Smyslovfan for a line they think would be good for black (after they both claimed black was great U2200). Neither give me a response.

I guess in the ultra complicated exchange french they don't want to give away any of their secrets for free lol  

"it's not drawish unless the players want the game to be drawn." -smyslovfan

Agreed.

"Watson's evaluation of the Exchange Variation appears to be correct." -smyslovfan

IIRC his evaluation is you shouldn't play it for a draw. I agree. No worries for me, I play it to win :)

Sometimes when an equal line scores poorly I check the ratings to find it's because the opponent is consistently higher rated in any case. The line is fine, but the players are often mismatched.

X_player I think you're unfamiliar with aspect of practical play. Especially when the OP is saying his tournament was in less than a week.

The KIA is not practical, if only because there are many setups to learn in such a short time.

Be sure you read the whole sentence and don't quote "the KIA is not practical" out of context, thanks.

The wing gambit is very practical. White's play is obvious and the moves are easy to make.

Objectively, against GMs, yes, it's the opposite. White has the difficult position. But many openings have reversed evaluations like this when comparing e.g. 1500 to 2500. Marshal attack in the spanish is an easy example. Deadly attacking ideas and initiative @1500. Boring draw weapon @2500.

@1500 I think the KIA is somewhat difficult. It's attacking, but it's a slow build up... positionally based attack. Not some sort of paint by numbers attack you see in some openings.

Of course if the 1500 has a lot of experience with the KIA, knows the standard sacs and some common mating patterns for example, then he'd probably do very well against his peers. This is more of a 6 months goal (IMO), not a 5 or 6 day goal.

The stats for the French exchange are obsolete. The position is symmetrical and its white to move. White can't be worse. The dead equal Philidor endgame is also highly favorable for black based on stats.

@ X_PLAYER_J_X :

1 - U should try to write well my name...

2 - I don't see where i insulted u, maybe u should have a look on the definition of insult.

3 - I didnt say KIA is a bad opening, great players used to play it, and that's still the case nowadays. Myself its one of my favourite weapons against the french...

4 - I respect Roman Dzindzi, i use several of his recommendations, but he is also known for giving uncomplete analysis, and even wrong sometimes, so it is not the best source u can find in my opinion.

5 - OP wanted a quick approach to learn, thus wing's gambit choice, which is played by many strong players, so its quite respectable. I like 2.b3 too which was proposed. The idea was giving a sub variation, easy and effective. While a main variation is very hard to play and need more knowledge and strength.

6 - Why a 6th point, i dont know, anyway i think arguing with u is hopeless because seemingly, u dont understand what u read, u interpret thinking all the world is against u, u should see the positive side sometimes...

@ 0110001101101000 :

1 - i already told u what are variations i propose against exchange french, at least where u can pick them...

2 - I didnt say french exchange is bad , i said up to 2200, usually it is bad played.

3 - To complete point 2, i don't deny french exchange can be a good opening, specially with c4 which in my opinion is the way to achieve interesting game for white : but for this, u have to know well some subtleties about move order, how to play with isolani, etc... Some things which are difficult at some level. See Jengaia's point about my thinking which is true.

4 - Do u belong to X_PLAYER_J_X's family?

#1
Sorry, I missed it. I just now reviewed the this topic and couldn't find any lines. You do mention Watson's book (and some other sources). I also have the book. I will review the lines he shows.

#2-3
Good point. I feel like I'm playing it at an acceptable level for my rating, so that's why I took some offense. I will be open minded to any specific suggestions.

I agree some of the positions are difficult to play correctly. The isolani doesn't bother me as much as some of the attacking motifs in front of black's king which I'm not used to. In some of Miezis's games the tactics seem to come from nowhere, and I admit with a feeling like this it will be difficult for me to copy his success.

#4
In chess and in life I try to keep an open mind to any suggestions people are willing to give me. If I failed here then I've disappointed myself. But after asking for lines twice I saw none provided. I was left with:

"his 3rd move will enable black to chose the good set up (which can be different on 3.Bd3, 3.Nf3, 3.c4...)" -poucin
and 
"exchange variation for white is the first step toward defeat" -poucin
and
"up to 2200 fide rating level, if black knows well its stuff, its almost 100% win" -poucin

Poucin is right. His comments about the Exchange comport exactly with my own experience. It's not about a single variation. If it were, players U2200 would be able to play it better.

One of the reasons the Exchange Variation is difficult to play is that few players U2200 have mastered IQP play sufficiently to play the Exchange middle games well.

In other words, when black has done his homework and when white knows a total 3 to 5 moves of book, then crosses his fingers for a quick draw against a higher rated opponent?

Yes. However I think this is true for 100% of openings.

Please remember this isn't some kind of slav or winawer. It's an exchange french... few players under 2200 can handle it? They should give up chess then lol. It only gets more complicated.

I tryed to help people understand 0110001101101000.

I was unsuccessful.

Poucin believes my advice was bad.

I believe my advice was the best advice given on this forum.

You believe I am unfamilar with practical play.

However, you don't even consider the possiblity that maybe I am very familar with practical play?

The KIA is not practical, if only because there are many setups to learn in such a short time.

The Kings Indian Attack is one of the most practical ways of playing against the French.

Your above statement in red shows confusion.

Furthermore, It shows why I am correct. It also shows how Poucin is wrong.

Who's setup is changing in the KIA vs French?

Whites? or Blacks?

The OP is playing the KIA I.E the white side.

The KIA structure is really static!

It really doesn't change a lot.

Which means the only thing changing is blacks setup's against the KIA.

However, white's plan doesn't change very much either.

You still often go for a kings side attack.

Furthermore, Blacks better responses against the KIA often never even get played or seen by anyone under 2000+.

An I say this ranking 2000+ simply because that is the range I play people in and they never respond with anything esle.

The majority of them.

Which makes me believe the ranking is even more into the 2200+ range.

This position here is the position you will see 95% of the time.

The only people who know any better are French Experts or players who did real serious study by other strong French Experts.

Which is to say it really isn't likely in the 1400+ range were the OP is ranked at.

Many French Experts believe the KIA shouldn't even be allowed and play Anti-KIA lines. Which have been recommended by several different title player.

They play 2...c5 or refuse to play 4...c5.

They try to play Anti-KIA lines.

However, white position is still very similar to what it would normally look like.

Which is why I think Poucin comments toward me and your comments towards me are utter nonsense.

Truthful, I am not even trying to be rude or offensive.

I am more shocked than anything esle.

I honestly don't see why people make the position seem more than it is.

Look at the above positions with your eyes man.

What is so complicated to you in this position?

White's pawn structures and set ups are the same 95% of the time.

White's plans and king side attacking theme the same 95% of the time.

Many title players have said the KIA gives up some opening advantage in exchange for a comfortable equal position!

This is one of the huge selling points of the KIA!

This is why it is recommended to beginners.

People on this forum are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Little kids play the KIA.

Six year old little kids have played this line.

They continue to play this line!

New kids get born and turn 6 playing this line!

They can't even tie there own shoes and they can play this line.

People are trying to convince me that this line is so complicated and has no practical chances?

You know what?

I am sorry!

My chess knowledge is so terrible that I don't see it.

I don't see anything which is complicated.

It seems pretty straight forward to me.

Yeah, you guys say the Wing Gambit is easy to play for white and has practical chances.

Hmmmmmm

Yeah, I don't know.

It seem easy to play as black.

Black was given a pawn with out even doing anything.

A pawn is a pawn!

I agree with people on this thread.

The Wing Gambit does have practical chances.

Black has 7 pawn vs white has 6 pawn.

If white doesn't get his pawn back, black is practically going to win.

I am going to give this gambit a try next time I see the french.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/when-do-you-need-to-learn-openings