How to crush sicilian defense and ruin black's hopes and dreams

on what planet is an 8% edge "nearly losing"?

black ain't winning doodoo in ANY line if the gambit's accepted

even filtering 2200-2500, black is STILL NOT winning in ANY LINE, so you either live in a fantasy world inside your head, or are a hater and a liar trying to steer others away from your nightmare

the STATS tell the TRUTH about what happens. google cognitive dissonance

math lesson: 52% MINUS 44% = 8% (MORE THAN 44%)

that's white WINNING 8% MORE of the time than black, and the flaw with YOUR argument is this isn't bizarro world

OH! WAIT! maybe it IS!

of course I'm POSITIVE there ARE LINES where black can do better, but statistically THOSE are meaningless "negligibilities" which I just neologized

the FACT is, there isn't a single line that's a refutation all the way up to 2500 where white is winning games by a minimum of 1% in the main line. rare stockfish generated lines that 20 people know aren't refutations... they're boogeymen

looking into the paulsen main line, black CAN get a couple percent advantage in the main line IF white co-operates with 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. Bc4 a6 7. O-O Nf6, but doing one's homework and simply playing 6.e5 instead puts white right back into 52:44 stats, and I'm STILL in 2200-2500!!! at the 1600-2000 range, 6.Bc4 is totally the way to go for juicy 51:45 stats.

thanks

THERE... found the block button. I'll never be bothered by that trifler again

I hope the logo is enough for you to understand this

indeed. Heh@Optimissed. Cool. Yeah, I enjoy reading the back n forth between you two but sometimes~and you're right~it can be exhausting when B-Boy goes into his First person tirade on Stats, stats and more stats whether it be practical or just plain numbers. Otherwise, I respect his chess philosophy overall.

You know, I actually welcomed sidelines when I exclusively played the Sicilian (guessed it, the Najdorf), because back in My Day people played Straight up and tested each other: you only played sidelines for fun. And it was always the loser of rock, paper, scissors who had ta play it. My how times have changed

Why is this bloody forum turning into an argument

Just putting this here if even in case you guy will fall into non-stop writings of an old man who loves his own voice so much.

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Sicillian doesn't have a one size fits all line for white, you need to study to be prepared against it. Personally, as a Sicillian player with black, I take the fight to black by castling queenside and launching a kingside attack

indeed. @Optimissed well said. Points articulately made. Yeah, probably someone out there has the line you're thinking of, it's only a matter of time before they unearth it. I only have lines from NCO & MCOs which I've used back in the day (ones I'd for sure play today even it's outdated) and I'm confident they're still valid damn the Stats or evals! Heh. But in all seriousness, players today naively love to think they've hit upon something "new" (as in this case, the SMG) as opposed to the OGs who exhaustively analysed it in every which way for years until it fell into disuse, only to come back trendy, dressed up alittle and now is a Sicilian Killa. Lord have mercy man.

Then, when they eventually put it back in mothballs, in another 10 yrs~if Chess 960 hasn't taken over~I'm sure another generation will wheel it out again having "improved" it 🤭. Such is Life. "A Sucker is Born Every Minute (I tell you)!"

Optimissed

White wins with 7Nb5.

The Sicilian is probably the hardest opening in e4 to make a repertoire against, assuming you play 2. Nf3 you have to know what to do against six solid variations (seven if you play 4. Qxd5 against the Hyperaccelerated Dragon I suppose). 
2… d6: where there’s the Open, the Chekhover, the Prins, the Delayed Alapin, the Moscow, 3. Nc3, 3. Bd3, 3. d3/g3, and the Bowdler. 
2… e6: where there’s the other Open, the Alapin (which can transpose directly to the Advance French), the Kramnik, the Westerinen, the KIA, and 3. Nc3. 
2… Nc6: where there’s the Open, the Rossolimo, the Alapin, 3. Nc3, and 3. d3/g3. 
2… a6: where there’s 3. c4, 3. c3, and 3. d4.
2… b6: where 3. c4 is best, but 3. d4 is also playable. 
2… Nf6: where 3. e5 is best, but 3. Nc3 is also playable.

However, realistically there are only 3 variations a 2. Nf3 player has to worry about. 
2… Nc6 should be faced either with the Rossolimo for more positional players or the Open for more tactical players. 
2… d6 should be faced either with the Open or the Delayed Alapin, both of which have intensely tactical and positional variations. 
2… e6 should be faced with the Open for tactical players, the Kramnik for those who understand the Tarrasch Defense as Black against d4, the Alapin for those who play the Advance French, the KIA for those who understand the King’s Indian openings, or the Westerinen for positional players.

Here’s where it gets… fun. If you play the Open against any of these, you’ll have to learn a few things.
Against the 2… e6 Open, you’ll have to learn the Kan, Taimanov, and Scheveningen variations. Thankfully, none of these are inherently too theory-heavy. 
Against the 2… e6 Open, assuming you play the full Open setup, you’ll have to learn the Najdorf, Accelerated Dragon, Dragon, Classical, and Scheveningen. These are remarkably more theory heavy, but still doable. 
Against the 2… Nc6 Open, you’ll have to learn the Sveshnikov, the Kalashnikov, the Classical, the Dragon, the Scheveningen, the Taimanov, and the Four Knights. This is nonsense, but presumably doable.

Anyways, I would heavily recommend going with a Semi-Open repertoire: 2. Nf3 with Delayed Alapin/Prins/Chekhover, Kramnik/KIA/Westerinen, and Rossolimo.

Even there it's just even (I misread the position before though). It's not near osing at all for white who still has potential Nd6+ ideas as well as potential bg5 ideas.

Oh, I thought it was the Paulsen Formation that refuted it.

Why and how does an obvious troll thread generate 68 serious relies? It's a mystery.

I think you mean 69.

Well, as with 99% of all intelligent discussion in these forums, it wasn’t so much the topic itself as the amount of experienced players gathered in one place. The only reason I don’t hate obvious clickbait titles on the Chess Openings forum is because they often work on veteran players and then I get to either interact with them or study the results afterwards.

But given the amount of variations white can throw into the mix, black also needs to be booked up.