1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Bh6?? Nxh6 There is no mate after 4.Qh5+ thanks to 4...Nf7. White is now down a piece for no compensation.
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1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Bh6 Nxh6 4. Qh5+ g6 5. Qe5. Now, black has to sac a bishop to save their rook. White wins a piece and is ahead in development. Apologies for the absence of a mention in my previous post. ;)
Actually, hold that thought. Sorry for all of my ideas coming out half-baked. There is a much easier way to save the rook. This is a lame post. Sorry for the waste of time.
Skull3moji wrote:
1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Bh6 Nxh6 4. Qh5+ g6 5. Qe5. Now, black has to sac a bishop to save their rook. White wins a piece and is ahead in development. Apologies for the absence of a mention in my previous post. ;)
After 5...Nf7, white is still down a piece and has moved the queen for a 3rd time in 6 moves. I strongly suggest that you look for another way to play against the Dutch because 3.Bh6?? is a move that hand the victory to black on a silver platter.
Like I said, this post is a waste of time. Thanks for your insight, however. :)
May 8, 2025
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#8
There's also 1 d4 f5 2 Bg5, which Stockfish seems to 'initially' prefer over 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 Bg5, because after 3...d5 4 Bxf6 seems to give a version of the Tromposky, which may be slightly more favorable for white with black's f-pawn on f5 and f6, rather than the "Tromposky" version of f6 and f7, since black has 'committed' the pawn to f5 immediately, weakening some squares. But 1 d4 f5 2 Bg5 leads to its own independent play. White can then choose what to do with the b1 knight later.
(example: compare: 1 d4 Nf6 2 Bg5 d5 3 Bxf6?! gives white absolutely nothing after exf6, because white's knights (vs a bishop pair) have no central support points, and black can put his bishops on d6 and e6), or he can play ...f5 later, against, for example, white playing b2-b3). Black's second pawn on f7 clearly benefits him.
The Dutch is one of the openings/defences that we forbid to be played in our Chess club. Such ideas make a mockery of Chess and we will not permit it!
May 8, 2025
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#10
Chessflyfisher wrote:
The Dutch is one of the openings/defences that we forbid to be played in our Chess club. Such ideas make a mockery of Chess and we will not permit it!
You can't ban any legal moves - That's nonsense!
May 8, 2025
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#11
DemonicArchangel wrote:
there's this "sideline" d4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5, it's pretty good
Lines like this or 2.Bg5 assume Black plays 1...f5.
You'd have to have an answer for 1...e6. Many Classical and Stonewall players will play 1...e6 rather than 1...f5. They would rather have to deal with the French than a bunch of Dutch Sidelines.
By playing 1...e6, I basically avoid all anti-Dutches:
2.e4 d5 (French Defense)
2.c4 f5 (Dutch Defense)
2.Nc3 Bb4! - Now White's best is actually 3.e4 when 3...d5 is the WInawer
2.Bg5 is nonsense - 2...Qxg5!
Skull3moji wrote:
Hi all,
The Dutch is a chess opening characterized by 1. d4 f5. I see this a a particularly detestable set up for black, and I’ve had a hard time getting the badge for it on chess.com. Through my experience with it, the best response for white is 3. e4. If black takes (fxe4), sac your bishop on h6. (Bh6). If black responds with gxh6, there’s a checkmate with Qh5#. If black declines either the pawn offer or the bishop offer, white can gain space by developing their knights and can castle early. I hope you all found this post helpful. Please comment any insights or questions you may have. As always, thanks! :)
The Dutch is a chess opening characterized by 1. d4 f5. I see this a a particularly detestable set up for black, and I’ve had a hard time getting the badge for it on chess.com. Through my experience with it, the best response for white is 3. e4. If black takes (fxe4), sac your bishop on h6. (Bh6). If black responds with gxh6, there’s a checkmate with Qh5#. If black declines either the pawn offer or the bishop offer, white can gain space by developing their knights and can castle early. I hope you all found this post helpful. Please comment any insights or questions you may have. As always, thanks! :)
What exactly are you talking about? Sac on h6? What is there on h6? Care to provide a specific line? In general the Dutch player is laughing at the Staunton gambit as it offers white no advantage objectively, yes play is tricky and there are many move orders but black is doing more than ok. Actually don`t bother - you said it yourself - this is a lame post(referring to your original post). Why post something without even think?
Chessflyfisher wrote:
The Dutch is one of the openings/defences that we forbid to be played in our Chess club. Such ideas make a mockery of Chess and we will not permit it!
Send me your club`s details I`ll give anyone material odds as a Dutch defence player and still beat all of you. The Dutch is a perfectly viable option against all non 1e4 openings,
May 9, 2025
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#14
As white I switched to the Raphael (2. Nc3) defense and I enjoy playing against the Dutch a lot more. Someone mentioned the line 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bg5 d5. I haven't tried it out yet but I think 4. f3 is my preferred solution. Looks sound to me and a lot of 2500-2600 players have scored wins with it - not that I share a anything in common with those guys of course but usually their opening models seem like good choices to emulate.
The Dutch is a chess opening characterized by 1. d4 f5. I see this a a particularly detestable set up for black, and I’ve had a hard time getting the badge for it on chess.com. Through my experience with it, the best response for white is 3. e4. If black takes (fxe4), sac your bishop on h6. (Bh6). If black responds with gxh6, there’s a checkmate with Qh5#. If black declines either the pawn offer or the bishop offer, white can gain space by developing their knights and can castle early. I hope you all found this post helpful. Please comment any insights or questions you may have. As always, thanks! :)