I want to play like Paul Morphy

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RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:  Bobby Fischer wrote that "Morphy was perhaps the most accurate player who ever lived", proclaiming that "Morphy's natural talents would be more than sufficient for him to vanquish the best twentieth century players". ...
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

"Lasker ... didn't understand positional chess." - another Fischer quote from around the same time as his Morphy comments.
Extended discussions of Morphy have been written in books by GM Franco, GM Beim, GM Ward, GM Marin, GM Bo Hansen, GM McDonald, Garry Kasparov (with Dmitry Plisetsky), and GM Gormally. Anyone see any of them express the view that we should accept Fischer's conclusion about Morphy being better than modern players? There seems to be general agreement that Morphy was, as GM Fine put it, one of the giants of chess history, but that is a long way from saying that he was better than anyone playing today.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/who-was-the-best-world-chess-champion-in-history

Fisher did not say that Morphy was better than anyone playing today. ...

"... In a set match, Morphy would beat anybody alive today. ..." - Fischer (1964)

 

RussBell wrote:  Fisher ... did ... claim that Morphy ... could compete favorably with those players up through the era of Fisher (i.e., the mid 20th century).

 

My "playing today" sentence was about the apparent general 21st century agreement of GM Franco, GM Beim, GM Ward, GM Marin, GM Bo Hansen, GM McDonald, Garry Kasparov (with Dmitry Plisetsky), and GM Gormally, about Morphy being one of the giants of chess history.

 

RussBell wrote:  … silence by others on Fisher's expressed comments does not constitute a refutation of his opinions. ...

 

No refutation claim was made. We can only ponder the probable reason that nobody seems to know of any of the writers endorsing Fischer's well-known conclusions.

 

RussBell wrote:  I believe Fisher (the best player of his time) to be no less an authoritative judge of the quality of the play of his predecessors than either his contemporaries or those who preceded him, many of whom were very opinionated regarding, and not averse to criticizing, their adversaries...

 

Do you think that modern writers are unaware of the quality of the moves that Fischer was able to play? Does that ability necessarily imply an ability to appropriately assess players from decades ago? How many authors can you identify as saying that we should believe Fischer's conclusions about players from a century or more in the past?

First of all, regarding Fischer's assessment of Morphy - his comments were written in 1964 (i.e., Fischer's "today").  So obviously his comments cannot refer to TODAY - 2019 (this was my point).

Second, I think it is more than plausible that a World Chess Champion is no less competent than any other chess player to assess the skills of his predecessors.  If we doubt the judgement of a World Champion, whose judgment should we offer in its place?  And if World Champions should disagree with each other in their opinions regarding the skills of their predecessors, which point of view should we adopt as the correct one?

The real point, and the one that Fisher likely intended, was that up to the time Fisher wrote his comments (1964), Morphy was generally considered to be among the pantheon of "great" chess players of all time.  Of course Fischer's statements can be debated, but which authority, up to 1964, on the subject of Morphy should we take to be preeminent.   Of course, I also think that it's reasonable to conclude that the very best players since 1964 and through today (2019), would surely have to be considered the favorite in a match against the Morphy of the 1850's, for what should be obvious reasons.

Nevertheless , I'm comfortable with the following endorsements of Morphy, within the context of the era in which they were made, and the achievements and historical perspectives of the individuals who made them...

The Masters on Morphy...

https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/the-masters-on-morphy

drmrboss
LukasRE wrote:

Paul Morphy is my biggest idol in chess. His games are so brilliant and beautiful. I want to play like Paul Morphy was the sentence which was said in the last days by me as I watched some videos about him. But the problem is that there are so much black´s answers exist. During Morphy´s life time nobody played the Scicilian, the french, caro kann. Only Philidor. But today I have the fear, I cannot play the evans gambit. Why? Because a lot of player plays c5, e6, c6, d5, Sf6, ...

I had played the London System and the queens gambit. But I find this openings boring when I always play them. So I need a tactical opening. I want to improve my chess. 

So, to play e4 is connected with a lot of homework. I have to be able to defense against all black answers. Should I take the way from switching d4 to e4? Is this the right decision for my chess improvement? I want to read your suggestion.

All in all I am so fascinated by Paul Morphy. :)

As OP has been inactive since 2016,

 

 

kindaspongey
 RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:  Bobby Fischer wrote that "Morphy was perhaps the most accurate player who ever lived", proclaiming that "Morphy's natural talents would be more than sufficient for him to vanquish the best twentieth century players". ...
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

"Lasker ... didn't understand positional chess." - another Fischer quote from around the same time as his Morphy comments.
Extended discussions of Morphy have been written in books by GM Franco, GM Beim, GM Ward, GM Marin, GM Bo Hansen, GM McDonald, Garry Kasparov (with Dmitry Plisetsky), and GM Gormally. Anyone see any of them express the view that we should accept Fischer's conclusion about Morphy being better than modern players? There seems to be general agreement that Morphy was, as GM Fine put it, one of the giants of chess history, but that is a long way from saying that he was better than anyone playing today.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/who-was-the-best-world-chess-champion-in-history

... I believe Fisher (the best player of his time) to be no less an authoritative judge of the quality of the play of his predecessors than either his contemporaries or those who preceded him, many of whom were very opinionated regarding, and not averse to criticizing, their adversaries...

... We can only ponder the probable reason that nobody seems to know of any of the writers endorsing Fischer's well-known conclusions. ... Do you think that modern writers are unaware of the quality of the moves that Fischer was able to play? Does that ability necessarily imply an ability to appropriately assess players from decades ago? How many authors can you identify as saying that we should believe Fischer's conclusions about players from a century or more in the past?

... Fischer's assessment of Morphy - his comments were written in 1964 (i.e., Fischer's "today").  So obviously his comments cannot refer to TODAY - 2019 ... The real point, and the one that Fisher likely intended, was that up to the time Fisher wrote his comments (1964), Morphy was generally considered to be among the pantheon of "great" chess players of all time. ...

Fischer did not content himself with identifying Morphy as among the great chess players. He went well beyond that to the assertion that:

"... In a set match, Morphy would beat anybody alive today. ..." - Fischer (1964)

Regardless of theories about Fischer’s intended real point, it seems to me to be appropriate to consider the claim included in his actual words.

 

RussBell wrote:  ... Of course Fischer's statements can be debated, but which authority, up to 1964, on the subject of Morphy should we take to be preeminent. ...

 

Is there a reason to take any authority as preeminent? Again, does the quality of Fischer’s moves necessarily imply an ability to appropriately assess how well Morphy would have done after about a century of time travel? Why not simply accept that nobody knows how Morphy would have done after climbing out of the DeLorean?

"... [Morphy's] real abilities were hardly able to be tested. … The titanic struggles of the kind we see today [Morphy] could not produce because he lacked the opposition. ..." - GM Reuben Fine

 

RussBell wrote:  ... I'm comfortable with the following endorsements of Morphy, within the context of the era in which they were made, and the achievements and historical perspectives of the individuals who made them ...

 

I get the impression that you don’t want to identify any of them as asserting that we should accept the 1964 Fischer conclusion about Morphy vanquishing the best twentieth century players. I see nothing wrong with citing a bunch of Morphy endorsements, but, if the Fischer belief is brought up, then I think it is appropriate to note that it seems to be something of an outlier in comparison with what has been written by writers such as GM Franco, GM Beim, GM Ward, GM Marin, GM Bo Hansen, GM McDonald, Garry Kasparov (with Dmitry Plisetsky), and GM Gormally. By the way, I don't know that this is of any great significance, but, when the original Fischer comments first appeared, they were presented with the words, "AS TOLD TO NEIL HICKEY". I only mention this because, in your first Fischer post in this thread, there seems to have been an intention to call attention to the word, "wrote". From the original publication, my impression is that Fischer's comments were made by speaking instead of by writing.

SubSahara

Any recommended training strategy / program for 1000 elos like myself?

RussBell
SubSahara wrote:

Any recommended training strategy / program for 1000 elos like myself?

Lots of good stuff here...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell

Also, from your profile you play almost exclusively blitz games. Try to play mostly longer time controls, including "daily" chess, so you have time to think about what you should be doing. It makes sense that taking time to think about what you should be doing would promote improvement in your chess skills.

This is not to suggest that you should necessarily play exclusively slow time controls or daily games, but they should be the greater percentage of your games, much more so than speed games (rapid, bullet, blitz, etc.) which do almost nothing to promote an understanding of how to play the game well.

Speed chess tends to be primarily an exercise in moving pieces around faster than your opponent while avoiding checkmate, in hopes that his/her clock runs out sooner than yours.

Here's what IM Jeremy Silman has to say on the topic...
https://www.chess.com/article/view/longer-time-controls-are-more-instructive

By Dan Heisman, famous chess teacher…
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http:/www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/dan-heisman-resources

and the experience of a FIDE Master...
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-blitz-and-bullet-rotted-my-brain-don-t-let-it-rot-yours

kindaspongey

"... for those that want to be as good as they can be, they'll have to work hard.
Play opponents who are better than you … . Learn basic endgames. Create a simple opening repertoire (understanding the moves are far more important than memorizing them). Study tactics. And pick up tons of patterns. That’s the drumbeat of success. ..." - IM Jeremy Silman (December 27, 2018)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/little-things-that-help-your-game
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-start-out-in-chess

https://www.chess.com/blog/michechess89/8-tips-to-increase-your-online-rating
https://www.chess.com/news/view/a-new-years-resolution-improve-your-chess-with-new-lessons

https://www.chess.com/article/view/mastery-chess-lessons-are-here
"... In order to maximize the benefits of [theory and practice], these two should be approached in a balanced manner. ... Play as many slow games (60 5 or preferably slower) as possible, ... The other side of improvement is theory. ... This can be reading books, taking lessons, watching videos, doing problems on software, etc. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627084053/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman19.pdf
"... If it’s instruction, you look for an author that addresses players at your level (buying something that’s too advanced won’t help you at all). This means that a classic book that is revered by many people might not be useful for you. ..." - IM Jeremy Silman (2015)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-best-chess-books-ever
Here are some reading possibilities that I often mention:
Simple Attacking Plans by Fred Wilson (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090402/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review874.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Simple-Attacking-Plans-77p3731.htm
Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev (1957)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104437/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/logichess.pdf
The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Irving Chernev (1965)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/most-instructive-games-of-chess-ever-played/
Winning Chess by Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld (1948)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093415/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review919.pdf
Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233537/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review585.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-back-to-basics-tactics
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5856bd64ff7c50433c3803db/t/5895fc0ca5790af7895297e4/1486224396755/btbtactics2excerpt.pdf
Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014)
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/

https://www.chess.com/blog/ForwardChess/book-of-the-week-openings-for-amateurs
https://www.mongoosepress.com/catalog/excerpts/openings_amateurs.pdf
Chess Endgames for Kids by Karsten Müller (2015)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/chess-endgames-for-kids/
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Chess_Endgames_for_Kids.pdf
A Guide to Chess Improvement by Dan Heisman (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105628/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review781.pdf
Studying Chess Made Easy by Andrew Soltis (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090448/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review750.pdf
Seirawan stuff:
http://seagaard.dk/review/eng/bo_beginner/ev_winning_chess.asp?KATID=BO&ID=BO-Beginner
http://www.nystar.com/tamarkin/review1.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-winning-chess-endings
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708092617/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review560.pdf

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