1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 g6 5.d5 Na5 6.c5 Bg7 7.b4 Ne4
1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.g3 g6 5.h4 Bg7 6.h5 Nxh5 7.Rxh5 gxh5 8.e4 O-O
Look, black is probably fine here. That's the whole damn point. Nothing out of the ordinary.
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Apr 7, 2016
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By the way, there is a group on this site calling itself, "Dynamic Dutch Defense."
Apr 7, 2016
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mcris wrote:
imsighked2 wrote:
I, too, would recommend the book, "The Diamond Dutch," by Viktor Moskalenko. I don't really play the Dutch much anymore, but found Moskalenko's move, 2. Bg5! to be tough on Dutch players. It drove me crazy when I played the Dutch. If you're going to play the Dutch, you need to learn how to play against the Staunton Gambit, which is covered in the Diamond Dutch. Simon Williams often plays the Dutch and has his own book out on the opening. He has a number of videos on the Dutch if you're a premium member.
I just have a turn-based game (check-it out) with 2.Bg5 and I am totally winning.
Antonio, If so many here tell you that this defense is played 1. from the 18th century and 2. by great GMs like Carlsen, Kramnik, Nakamura, Yusupov, Short etc., your attitude not to accept it as classical is just infantile, no offense. Maybe this classic game will change your feelings:
The line given in this post has been proven to be really, REALLY bad!
1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3 d5?? 5.Bf4! intending 6.e3 and 7.Bd3 - Advantage White!
After 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, best for Black is 4...Bb4! and Black is equal, if not slightly better, as compared to the Nimzo-Indian, the addition of ...f5 benefits Black more than Nf3 benefits White.
1.d4 f5 and now:
A) 2.c4 Nf6 and now:
A1) 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 c6! (c6 should never be played if c4 hasn't been played yet) 5.Nf3 d5! 6.O-O Bd6 and Black is fine
A2) 3.Nc3 e6 and now:
A21) 4.Nf3 Bb4!
A22) 4.g3 c6! 5.Bg2 and now Black must make a decision, so 5...d5. Had White played 5.Nh3, then 5...d6!, playing for ...e5
A23) 4.e3 b6! - If White hasn't played g3, the Bishop is far better placed on b7 with the diagonal open than playing ...d5
B) 2.g3! Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 and now:
B1) 4.Nf3 d5 5.O-O Bd6! (Do not play c6 until c4 is played) 6.c4 c6 (See A1)
B2) 4.Nh3 d6! and play in Classical fashion, going for e5.
B3) 4.c4 c6! and now if 5.Nf3, then 5...d5 and if 5.Nh3, then 5...d6!
In addion to "Dynamic Dutch Defense", the other book you should get depends on the line you want to play:
Classical against everything: The Killer Dutch (already mentioned)
Leningrad: Play the Dutch (Neil McDonald)
Stonewall (when appropriate): Winning with the Stonewall Dutch (Published by Gambit in 2008 - It will discuss what to do against lines where the Stonewall isn't good - usually involves a b6/Bb7 fianchetto or a Classical Dutch setup).
1.c4 e5 2.d3 Nf6 3.a3 c5 4.e4 d6 5.f4 Be7 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be2
the semi-english, whatever you wanna call it
One possibility to avoid 2. Bg5 and also the anti-Dutch gambits (Staunton, anti-Dutch Spike, etc) is to play 1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5. You do have to be a fan of the French, in case White plays 2. e4 instead. I find that 1. d4 players who transpose into the French are often uncomfortable there.
In the Washington State Championship this year, with an average rating of 2300, there were quite a few Dutches (all three major kinds--Stonewall, Leningrad and Classical) as well as some Bird's Openings played as reversed Dutches. FM Tian Sang beat FM Roland Feng, the defending champion, in a reversed Leningrad. It's an interesting opening with complex play and few "boring" lines.
If it is refuted, neither Anand nor Caruana could prove it vs. Carlsen: he beat them both with the Stonewall last year.
You do have to be acutely aware of the weakening of your kingside; that's the price you pay for the asymmetry and active chances. I really like Neil McDonald's _Play the Dutch_ for a conceptual introduction to the opening. He is honest about what can go wrong as well as right. I really relate to his statement that as your opponents get stronger, the straightforward kingside attack in the Stonewall often doesn't work, "and for some reason things occasionally go terribly wrong on the queenside."
I've been playing the Dutch most of my life, with a lifetime high rating of 2170 (in 1987). I get into trouble a lot but I really like the double-edged positions and the absence of easy simplifying lines.
Apr 8, 2016
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#48
An interesting thread here on the KID defeatable (Kramnik) or not: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/kid-not-a-choice-in-wcc
You are attacking c4 pawn and White possible answer c5.