Is 1..g6 always playable?

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Please confirm, I need to have my chess playing uncle there to beat you, and he'll have to take time off work, so I need to know now.

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This whole thing is both interesting and crazy.   If this challenge does go off, I thought the game would automatically start with this opening 1. e4 g6 2. d4, and with FoF taking the white pieces and Zac/Jengaias taking the black pieces.

 

It would be cool if we could get a live stream of this challenge game.  Not sure if it would necessarily establish the "playability" of 1.... g6, but the idea of two forum commenters duking it out over a chess board is entertaining.

 

FWIW, I prefer the White side of this opening.  The pawn center looks pretty strong.  What's that worth in side bets?  Dunno.  What's the worth of side bets between FoF and Zac/Jengaias?  Again, dunno.  

 

It's the trash talk/testosterone factor that makes this whole endeavor fascinating and entertaining.   And no physical violence please.  Only chessboard violence.  Thanks in advance.

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ALL THE DISTRACTIONS  

NONE OF THE CONFIRMATIONS OF THE TERMS!!!!!!

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Comments on this games are more than welcome.I will even send a trophy to anyone who comments on this game and another trophy if you analyze 23...Nxd4 Tongue Out

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zac_howland wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:

ALL THE DISTRACTIONS  

NONE OF THE CONFIRMATIONS OF THE TERMS!!!!!!

FFS You are daft.  I will be there.  Show up, don't show up; frankly, I don't care because I will be playing one way or the other.  The rest is up to you.

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So I will take it to understand that:

 you will be there at the specified terms:

Game 120 Standard tournament Chess Board ( I have $160.00 Digital Chess Clock. to be decided)

So, we are on for JULY 28TH Friday 11:00AM  at the Front Desk.

at the Sheraton Norfoik Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510

 

confirming all terms on this April 19th, 2017 at 12:52pm EST

 

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im still curious what kind of clock costs $160...

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FoF in #80:  "1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5  you are correct you are playing Hypermodern style but definitely contesting White's central pawn duo."

 

Is this not a tacit admission that 1... g6 is playable?  Or more specifically, playable against the pawn center duo?

 

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You have a problem understanding  context.   Yes, it is playable as long as you are contesting the central pawn duo.

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"Yes, it is playable as long as you are contesting the central pawn duo."

 

Any prior commenter on this thread willing to come forward and state that in playing 1... g6, that they would not contest White's central pawn duo?

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fieldsofforce wrote:
zac_howland wrote:
fieldsofforce wrote:
gnomechessman wrote:

Can g6 by black be automatically played in response to any white opening move without getting an opening disadvantage?

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1.e4 g6 2.d4.   Allowing White the central Pawn duo is almost always a  bad idea.

Yes, those darn hypermodernists and their notion of letting white occupy the center.  What were they thinking!?

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I play hypermodern chess when the position calls for it.  But, 1e4 g6 2.d4 is suicidal  chess I don't play

But now you say you can play it, just as long as you contest it with c5? i mean...isnt that the whole point, to allow, then attack the center. Its not like a hypermodernist would just let the pawns stay in the center.

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zac_howland wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:

"Yes, it is playable as long as you are contesting the central pawn duo."

 

Any prior commenter on this thread willing to come forward and state that in playing 1... g6, that they would not contest White's central pawn duo?

You mean like 2. .. Bg7 (which is what was discussed earlier and a certain commenter kept bashing)?

We will settle all of these stupid questions on July 28th, Friday, 2017 at 11AM at the front desk of  the Sheraton Norfolk Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510

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"We will settle all of these stupid questions on July 28th, Friday, 2017 at 11AM at the front desk of  the Sheraton Norfolk Waterside Hotel - 777 Waterside Dr., Norfolk, VA 23510."

 

Actually FoF, you won't.  I'll accept on faith that you are a 2400 player (or above).  Zac Howland is only a provisionally rated player.  Assuming he's native U.S. person, he's probably much younger than you, and has a far lower rating than you.  

 

If you beat him, while playing the White side of 1... g6 with a pawn center duo, that doesn't really and truly settle the question of the playability of 1.... g6.    

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SeniorPatzer wrote:

I'll accept on faith that you are a 2400 player (or above).

I'll accept on faith that he's full of more shit than 50 horses.

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Yes definitely playable unless you touch another piece first OTB

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i just tried g5,,, been playing for 3 months and just felt like a day one player ..cramped up my pieces, couldnt defend,,he just slid his queen down with a knight and i just had to watch...terrible . 

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Yes. Any opening.

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fieldsofforce wrote:
gnomechessman wrote:

Can g6 by black be automatically played in response to any white opening move without getting an opening disadvantage?

Allowing White the central pawn duo is almost always a bad idea.

Are you serious? There's a whole school of chess dedicated entirely to letting your opponent take direct control of the whole center and then attacking the prominent targets from a comfortable defensive position. Hypermoderns actually score just as well as more traditional openings.

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etank2000 wrote:
keisyzrk wrote:
TalSpin wrote:

It's perfectly playable. White gets an advantage, but club players (and masters sometimes too) often get ahead of themselves and their beautiful center crumbles. Pirc/Modern, Grunfeld, Alekhine's Defense, KID, QID, Nimzo-Indian, KIA, Nimzo-Larsen, Benko, etc... All examples of hypermodern strategy, all successful to varying degrees depending on who is playing it. If hypermodernism was busted, people wouldn't employ it, especially masters.

The Nimzo, QID, KID and Grunfield are good. The rest are not.

Could you explain why the pirc isn't good? Just an amateur player here but I've tried out pirc and it seems kinda solid? So whats the main refutation to it?

Also, is the Alekhine considered bad because black loses tempo due to his knight being chased around?

IMO the Pirc isn't good because while White gets to play very simple, intuitive moves,  Black has to find tablebase-complexity only-moves to hold on to a disadvantage similar to every other Black opening. Why would you play the Pirc when you could just play the Modern, any other Indian Game, or the Alekhine's?
Alekhine's is considered bad because engines evaluate it at +1 for White. The engine values space much more than any human ever will because it's infinitely better at defending all of its over-extended pieces than any human is, and if you can defend all your pieces, all that matters is the space advantage (which White will always have in the Alekhine's). Realistically, the Alekhine's is a viable way to play an Indian Game system against 1.e4 if you don't mind playing a hypermodern style defensive game (which the Indian Game is anyways).

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Engine hates g6. But I play it in blitz.