Is fried liver attack Good?? - Chess Forums - Page 2

IM pfren

Aug 26, 2020

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#21

SchaakVoorAlles έγραψε:

poucin wrote:

Fried liver (defined by 5...Nxd5 6.Nxf7) is of course very dangerous and black shouldn't go into this mess. Maybe black can hold with an engine, but 5...Nxd5 is just too provocative and risky to be good at practical chess.

Exactly. Why play 5. ... Nxd5?! when both 5. ... Na5 and 5. ... b5 lead to complex and unclear positions with chances for both sides?

I hope monsterchip appreciates getting free opening lessons from a pair of IMs !

Objectively speaking, 5...Nxd5 is a better move than 5...b5 (or 5...Nd4). The problem with it is that is very tough to defend Black's position OTB.

IM pfren

Aug 26, 2020

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#22

Preusseagro έγραψε:

pfren hat geschrieben:

SchaakVoorAlles έγραψε:

poucin wrote:

Fried liver (defined by 5...Nxd5 6.Nxf7) is of course very dangerous and black shouldn't go into this mess. Maybe black can hold with an engine, but 5...Nxd5 is just too provocative and risky to be good at practical chess.

Exactly. Why play 5. ... Nxd5?! when both 5. ... Na5 and 5. ... b5 lead to complex and unclear positions with chances for both sides?

I hope monsterchip appreciates getting free opening lessons from a pair of IMs !

Objectively speaking, 5...Nxd5 is a better move than 5...b5 (or 5...Nd4). The problem with it is that is very tough to defend Black's position OTB.

Since when is the fritz variation bad,?did not find any artice. I only playthis sometimes since it leads to a borish endgame if boh play right.

Since ever. The Ulvestad and the Fritz lead almost by force to the same pawn down ending which is far from boring and difficult to prove full compensation for Black.

tictactoeprodigy

Aug 26, 2020

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#23

poucin wrote:

Sure if white plays this way (horrible!), this is winning for black...

On 8...Nb4, a3 losing a tempo and giving Nxc2 for free? It was played by Shirov but not good.

Move 9 : Qe4, Bb3, Kd1 (I would be reluctant to play such a move), and 0-0 are all good. Thought Qe4 and Bb3 are probably more to the point.

And then u give 11.Qxd5 trading queens? White is material down and has to attack the black, no way to trade queens!

Fried liver (defined by 5...Nxd5 6.Nxf7) is of course very dangerous and black shouldn't go into this mess. Maybe black can hold with an engine, but 5...Nxd5 is just too provocative and risky to be good at practical chess.

a lot of beginner videos recommend a3.

sndeww

Aug 26, 2020

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#24

that's the problem.

"beginner"

tictactoeprodigy

Aug 26, 2020

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#25

imo the lolli attack is better than the fried liver. (d4, then nxf7)

tictactoeprodigy

Aug 27, 2020

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#26

the fried liver is taking on f7 afaik. in the database, if you dont take, its just the knight attack.

sndeww

Aug 27, 2020

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#27

"an inaccuracy by black (taking on d5) and a mistake by white (taking on f7)" - Finegold

tictactoeprodigy

Aug 27, 2020

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#28

SNUDOO wrote:

"an inaccuracy by black (taking on d5) and a mistake by white (taking on f7)" - Finegold

finegold the goat

sndeww

Aug 27, 2020

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#29

Preusseagro wrote:

SNUDOO hat geschrieben:

"an inaccuracy by black (taking on d5) and a mistake by white (taking on f7)" - Finegold

Nxf7 Never a misstake only the destruction of black.

not my quote. I don't have an opinion.

IM poucin

Aug 27, 2020

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#30

Preusseagro a écrit :

SNUDOO hat geschrieben:

"an inaccuracy by black (taking on d5) and a mistake by white (taking on f7)" - Finegold

Nxf7 Never a misstake only the destruction of black.

It is not so clear...

Anyway, calling "Ng5 the Fried liver while Nxf7 is the fegatello" just shows your ignorance, so we shouldn't take seriously what u are talking about this opening.

kamodo2006

Aug 27, 2020

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#31

In my opinion, I think the fried liver should only be played once the player is moderately confident with the attack and its different variations. It is good to learn since it so effective, especially against certain types of players (leave you to figure this out if you're interested). Happy Chess!

tictactoeprodigy

Aug 27, 2020

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#32

Preusseagro wrote:

tictactoeprodigy hat geschrieben:

the fried liver is taking on f7 afaik. in the database, if you dont take, its just the knight attack.

talking on f7 is called fegatello atack

you can ...talk on f7?!

in b4 the edit

sndeww

Aug 27, 2020

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#33

Ya know, I have a *small* feeling that english isn't preusseagro's first language.

tictactoeprodigy

Aug 27, 2020

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#34

taking on f7 is fried liver.

IM pfren

Aug 27, 2020

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#35

tictactoeprodigy έγραψε:

poucin wrote:

Sure if white plays this way (horrible!), this is winning for black...

On 8...Nb4, a3 losing a tempo and giving Nxc2 for free? It was played by Shirov but not good.

Move 9 : Qe4, Bb3, Kd1 (I would be reluctant to play such a move), and 0-0 are all good. Thought Qe4 and Bb3 are probably more to the point.

And then u give 11.Qxd5 trading queens? White is material down and has to attack the black, no way to trade queens!

Fried liver (defined by 5...Nxd5 6.Nxf7) is of course very dangerous and black shouldn't go into this mess. Maybe black can hold with an engine, but 5...Nxd5 is just too provocative and risky to be good at practical chess.

a lot of beginner videos recommend a3.

So what? 9.a3 loses.

Prometheus_Fuschs

Aug 27, 2020

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#36

pfren escribió:

infestationPit έγραψε:

Fried Liver is good for White.

Proof?

Statistics, engine evals and overall analysis?

Prometheus_Fuschs

Aug 27, 2020

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#37

Truth be told, 5... Na5 (Polerio Defense) or 5... b5 (Ulvestad Variation) are much better than 5... Nxd5.

DerekDHarvey

Aug 28, 2020

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#38

I like fried liver as black or white.

IM pfren

Aug 28, 2020

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#39

Prometheus_Fuschs έγραψε:

pfren escribió:

infestationPit έγραψε:

Fried Liver is good for White.

Proof?

Statistics, engine evals and overall analysis?

Only the first applies, if you include woodpusher games.

DerekDHarvey

Aug 28, 2020

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#40

The jury is still out after 400 years.