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adamprikler

Hi everyone. So I was messing around with some positions about a year ago with engine and I found a funny move in Icelandic gambit, that is not "the theory". The specific line is:

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. dxe6 Bc5

Notice how I don't retake the pawn with light square bishop (which is the book move) but rather develop the dark square bishop. Usually my opponents proceed to take on f7 with check and I take back with the king. As dubious as it may seem, it gives great attacking chances for black with tons of traps. I've been playing it for a year now and have 70% win rate and recently I learned that there are some titled players who also played this line. That makes me wonder, why does this line not have a specific name?

I call it the Gandalf gambit 😁 the logic being black pawns are the hobbits that disappeared thanks to the ring, and the bishop on c5 square happens to look like Gandalf with a pointy hat - the white pawn on c4 😁

My question is, is it possible to somehow register this line so it can be added to the list of openings? Or what are the requirements to do such thing? Thanks for reading this.

Laskersnephew
In fact, there is no official register of openings.
InsertInterestingNameHere
SquirrellyMove wrote:

You're too late. It already has a name.

Scandinavian Defense: Modern, Icelandic-Palme Gambit - Chess Openings - Chess.com

https://www.chess.com/openings/Scandinavian-Defense-Modern-Icelandic-Palme-Gambit 

Bro, there’s a continuation. Did you even read his message?

InsertInterestingNameHere

I never said it should be added. I just pointed out that you stated “it already has a name” when that line does not in fact have a name

I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA

No

Laskersnephew

Send a PGN of your new opening, along with a suggested name, to FINO (Federation International de Noms des Ouvertures) in Geneva. Be sure to include the 500 euro processing fee

InsertInterestingNameHere

In reality, this is a bad idea. If regular members were allowed to add opening names just by request, there would be 

 

1. Lots of trolling

2. Lots of bad lines that aren’t even lines

3. Super obscure lines that continue til move 50. Who wants to know 50 moves of 1.h4 theory?

InsertInterestingNameHere

#13 cutting edge theory right there wink.png

I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA
SquirrellyMove wrote:

The Rook Fianchetto Opening

 

😅😅😅😒😒😒🤨🤨🤨🤨

adamprikler

Thanks for the posts 🙂 so.. I know about the Icelandic-Palme gambit, it is the position reached after black plays the move e6. But all the theory after this move revolves around playing Bxe6 as the fourth move. Notice in Gandalf gambit you don't retake this pawn but play a developing move Bc5. That in my opinion is the novelty that deserves a new naming. 

Otherwise one can argue, that it's not even Icelandic gambit, because it's just Modern Scandinavian. And then one could say, it's all just a Scandinavian defense determined by the first move e4 d5 😅 you get the point.

And I also assumed there are many people lobbying for their own opening ideas, but that cannot stop me from trying. Especially when there actually IS bongcloud opening (and other even funnier openings) that is recognized as a legitimate opening. I just believe Gandalf gambit is a serious weapon and although I'm rather an amateur player, there are strong players playing the line and have great results.

So if there is no official register of openings how do I do this? 😅 It is kind of a life goal of mine

adamprikler

Wow sorry, while I was writing my post, so many more added which I didn't read, thank you all for posting 😅

InsertInterestingNameHere

If you’re serious about this, your best bet is to message chess.com support, but don’t be surprised when they say no lol

MatthewFreitag

There's two types of opening names. Openings that are recognized officially by the ECO, and openings that are recognized by sites like chesstempo and chess.com

For starters, to get an opening certified it really has to be played at the top level. The line you created is actually quite interesting. However, you are not the first to play it. Go to lichess, there you will find an opening database for players, which will show that many other amateurs have played it online...1600 games with it to be exact.

adamprikler

Thank you Matthew and others for the insights 🙂 having this gambit recognized by sites like chess.com or lichess would be more than satisfying 😁 I contacted the support teams, so I'll wait for their statement. And I have gone through lichess database in the past to see if there are others who play this line, and indeed I found it has been played before, out of these 1600 games there is this guy called pranavbhatt01 (rated around 2200 ELO) who played it almost 1000 times 😂 he is like a grandpa of this opening. He has 65% win rate with Gandalf gambit. I myself played it on lichess like 100+ times and then there is a bunch of other players including CM piscatorox - 78 games and 64% wr.  

I tried contacting these gentlemen about this line and if they learned it from some kind of theory or they just made it up, but they weren't really responsive. So I guess it's up to me, to make this poisonous and little known opening a THING 😅 as far as I know I'm the only one who analyzed it publicly (on my Facebook profile, though 🤔😂) and I came up with a great name for it as well😅

ThrillerFan
MatthewFreitag wrote:

There's two types of opening names. Openings that are recognized officially by the ECO, and openings that are recognized by sites like chesstempo and chess.com

For starters, to get an opening certified it really has to be played at the top level. The line you created is actually quite interesting. However, you are not the first to play it. Go to lichess, there you will find an opening database for players, which will show that many other amateurs have played it online...1600 games with it to be exact.

 

Half the openings here are misnamed!

MatthewFreitag
ThrillerFan wrote:
MatthewFreitag wrote:

There's two types of opening names. Openings that are recognized officially by the ECO, and openings that are recognized by sites like chesstempo and chess.com

For starters, to get an opening certified it really has to be played at the top level. The line you created is actually quite interesting. However, you are not the first to play it. Go to lichess, there you will find an opening database for players, which will show that many other amateurs have played it online...1600 games with it to be exact.

 

Half the openings here are misnamed!

I've heard this from a lot of people...what are some examples?

Professor_Gobbles
adamprikler wrote:

Hi everyone. So I was messing around with some positions about a year ago with engine and I found a funny move in Icelandic gambit, that is not "the theory". The specific line is:

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. dxe6 Bc5

Notice how I don't retake the pawn with light square bishop (which is the book move) but rather develop the dark square bishop. Usually my opponents proceed to take on f7 with check and I take back with the king. As dubious as it may seem, it gives great attacking chances for black with tons of traps. I've been playing it for a year now and have 70% win rate and recently I learned that there are some titled players who also played this line. That makes me wonder, why does this line not have a specific name?

I call it the Gandalf gambit 😁 the logic being black pawns are the hobbits that disappeared thanks to the ring, and the bishop on c5 square happens to look like Gandalf with a pointy hat - the white pawn on c4 😁

My question is, is it possible to somehow register this line so it can be added to the list of openings? Or what are the requirements to do such thing? Thanks for reading this.

The short answer is yes, you could verify an opening. However, in order to do this, it would need to be played at top level and you would need to publish extensive theory on it, as well as bringing the opening to the attention of sites like chess.com. Just the opening is not enough. You would need to provide very, very, heavy analysis.