is the sicilian french variation that bad

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i js played against the sicilian french variation 3 times and won all 3 games, here are the games

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No but the line you're playing sucks. One very obvious response is Qa5+ and black already has advantage. It was my first impulse.

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crazedrat1000 wrote:

No but the line you're playing sucks. One very obvious response is Qa5+ and black already has advantage. It was my first impulse.

Actually, this line isn't crazy, it is called the Aussie attack. the plan is to play in Smith morra gambit style so if 4...Qa5 then 5 c3. if you want more analysis watch youtube.com/watch?v=BM3zP1azWb8&list=PL9WYcwsWaJ7pbXxTA4UNjX8eNvn2AgrCs&index=23

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And no, the French variation is not bad. What makes you think it is bad?

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What you're hoping for is that black trades off his DSB for a knight. That's always a mistake in the french sicilian. It's a natural thing to do in this line and if it happens, you'll dominate the dark squares around his king. But if people resist that temptation and play something simple like this.. here you have nothing. There is not much of an attack coming... it looks bad:

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It doesn't play like a Smith Morra, a line that already sucks. In this line, you don't have much of a kingside attack. What you're hoping for is that black trades off his DSB for a knight. That's always a mistake in the french sicilian. It's a natural thing to do in this line and if it happens, you'll dominate the dark squares around his king. But if people resist that temptation and play something simple like this.. here you have nothing. There is no attack whatsoever coming, you have less momentum than in the SM... it looks bad:

You make good points and I somewhat agree with you. But results have shown that both lines are at least somewhat playable according to my database after 4...Qa5 white wins 43 percent of the time, thought black wins 57 percent of the time so you may be right. But also after 6...Be7 the computer says equal after 7 Bd2 guess the point was to get the queen to a5 where the bishop x-rays it and now the g8 knight cant move well if ...Knf6 then e5. But, you may be right.

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I also don't like the smth morra. But Mark Esserman has proven its lethality

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I take it back, it can be transposed into a smith morra. In that case it's just another SM. 
Well that settles it. The Smith Morra sucks, we already know that.

The skill of a particular player playing a line does not prove very much about the line.

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I take it back, it can be transposed into a smith morra if black likes. In that case it's just another SM. 
Well that settles it. The Smith Morra sucks, we already know that.

at least in my hands it does

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crazedrat1000 wrote:

I take it back, it can be transposed into a smith morra if black likes. In that case it's just another SM. 
Well that settles it. The Smith Morra sucks, we already know that.

at least in my hands it does

and I mean it sucks in my hands

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Thought there are some instances I play the smith morra

after 3...e5 black has many more weaknesses then a normal smith morra
 
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