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AngryPuffer

but this same concept also applies to white. if black is not careful, then he will be absolutely crushed in an attack. What makes black position playable in the najdorf is the fact that black does not have to commit to castling and black is garunteed to get a counterattack (as long as he can handle whites attack)

when i used to take chess very seriously, i played the most challenging lines to the sicilian (and i did well with it too!) these type of gambits and thoughts got me to 1800. 12.Nd5 is an interesting gambit ive seen in some master games before, which made me want to employ it.

Optimissed

The plus side of that is that there are things white will try that you see over and over, which helps you to work out how to play against them best, whereas the ones you see seldom are usually obviously bad. There's one exception regarding how I play the Sicilian. It's when white pushes the e pawn in the following setup and loses it but gets some compensation in development. I think it wins for black but you have to be really careful. It isn't pleasant to face.

Optimissed

This.

AngryPuffer
Optimissed wrote:

This.

black can just play it like a french and be fine?

AngryPuffer
Chuck639 wrote:
LouStule wrote:

I'll admit, the 2.f4 move was a little surprising from an opponent of that rating. There has been a lot of discussion lately from top players about the Alapin so maybe that is why it is gaining in popularity? Thanks for the GG.

I rarely see the mainline in the 1500-1800 bracket for some reason.

Word is the anti-Sicilian players feel they have the upper hand? I don’t buy into it.

This was a Mengarini not too long ago.

https://www.chess.com/game/live/71208321251

and what that 1800 did almost worked! you didnt know how to handle it and he was +1 in the opening with a superior development advantage and an extra pawn.

AngryPuffer
blueemu wrote:
LouStule wrote:

...t does anyone know the line where black tries to go for a queenside castle?.

Here's a game of mine against Robert Hamilton, who later peaked at 2349 FIDE (that's a genuine FIDE rating, not online).

very often in the Richter-Rauzer and Bg5 najdorf castling kingside is too dangerous for black so he leaves his king in the center or goes queenside. that says something about how dangerous the Bg5 mainlines can be...

LouStule

I love that this thread has been revived! happy

Chuck639
AngryPuffer wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
LouStule wrote:

I'll admit, the 2.f4 move was a little surprising from an opponent of that rating. There has been a lot of discussion lately from top players about the Alapin so maybe that is why it is gaining in popularity? Thanks for the GG.

I rarely see the mainline in the 1500-1800 bracket for some reason.

Word is the anti-Sicilian players feel they have the upper hand? I don’t buy into it.

This was a Mengarini not too long ago.

https://www.chess.com/game/live/71208321251

and what that 1800 did almost worked! you didnt know how to handle it and he was +1 in the opening with a superior development advantage and an extra pawn.

I was never in trouble and don’t care what the evaluation says.

It’s hard to visualize everything in 90/30 nevermind a 15/10 time format.

I relish risky and complicated situations.

Hoffmann713
blueemu ha scritto:

Back in 1988, when I was able to get a seat in a Mikhail Tal simul, I played the Sicilian Najdorf against him. Was I supposed to play something else?

Did you participate in a simultaneous against Tal ? I envy you.

Could you tell us something about that experience, perhaps in some other thread ? The figure of Tal fascinates me a lot.

blueemu
AngryPuffer wrote:
blueemu wrote:
LouStule wrote:

...t does anyone know the line where black tries to go for a queenside castle?.

Here's a game of mine against Robert Hamilton, who later peaked at 2349 FIDE (that's a genuine FIDE rating, not online).

very often in the Richter-Rauzer and Bg5 najdorf castling kingside is too dangerous for black so he leaves his king in the center or goes queenside. that says something about how dangerous the Bg5 mainlines can be...

I've got a very nice Sicilian Najdorf just finishing now that I want to show you people. It's an ongoing vote-chess game (72 hours per move), and it's all over but the crying (we have a forced mate next move) but our opponents seem to be playing it out all the way to mate so it should be officially over in another eight days or so. I'll post it then.

As White, we sac'd a Pawn to open up the center. The Black King got squeezed out of the center early, and had to castle K-side because his Q-side bolt-hole wasn't ready. Carnage ensued.

AngryPuffer
blueemu wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
blueemu wrote:
LouStule wrote:

...t does anyone know the line where black tries to go for a queenside castle?.

Here's a game of mine against Robert Hamilton, who later peaked at 2349 FIDE (that's a genuine FIDE rating, not online).

very often in the Richter-Rauzer and Bg5 najdorf castling kingside is too dangerous for black so he leaves his king in the center or goes queenside. that says something about how dangerous the Bg5 mainlines can be...

I've got a very nice Sicilian Najdorf just finishing now that I want to show you people. It's an ongoing vote-chess game (72 hours per move), and it's all over but the crying (we have a forced mate next move) but our opponents seem to be playing it out all the way to mate so it should be officially over in another eight days or so. I'll post it then.

As White, we sac'd a Pawn to open up the center. The Black King got squeezed out of the center early, and had to castle K-side because his Q-side bolt-hole wasn't ready. Carnage ensued.

this game?

blacks game started to fall apart after 13.Bg5+

blueemu

Yup.

We've already voted Rg6 and mate next move.

blueemu
AngryPuffer wrote:

blacks game started to fall apart after 13.Bg5+

In fact, Bxg5+ is perfectly playable. It was Nf7 that pitched the game (Bb7 was the "please kill me" move, but the game was already lost after Nf7 anyway).

AngryPuffer
blueemu wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

blacks game started to fall apart after 13.Bg5+

In fact, Bxg5+ is perfectly playable. It was Nf7 that pitched the game (Bb7 was the "please kill me" move, but the game was already lost after Nf7 anyway).

yes it is, but i think its what led black to lose in the longrun due to an open g file and a exposed black king

blueemu
AngryPuffer wrote:
blueemu wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

blacks game started to fall apart after 13.Bg5+

In fact, Bxg5+ is perfectly playable. It was Nf7 that pitched the game (Bb7 was the "please kill me" move, but the game was already lost after Nf7 anyway).

yes it is, but i think its what led black to lose in the longrun due to an open g file and a exposed black king

When I post the game in a few days (should really wait until it's over, forced mate or not) I'll point out the line (after Bxg5+) that is considered almost equal for Black.

It's not for the faint of heart, though. The positions Black ends up in are no sight for a sober man, but they are survivable if you know what you are doing.

That Knight on e5 is a monster.

tlay80

I may be mixing up lines, but I think the last time I had the White side of the 13 ... Bxg5+ line, I underestmated Black's resources and wound up losing. It all looks so hopeless to have to defend, but Black always has a little more left in the tank than you think they will.

Maybe I should join that team. I love vote chess and would love to find a team that's up for the most critical Sicilian lines.

blueemu

I'm sure some fresh blood would be welcome.

It's interesting that I was playing razor-sharp theoretical Najdorf lines back in the 1970s...

A game I played nearly 50 years ago... - Chess Forums - Chess.com

... and I'm still playing those exact same razor-sharp theoretical Najdorf lines half a century later. Haven't even changed my opening repertoire.

blueemu

I've just realized...

The only FIDE-rated tournament I ever played in was half a century ago, in 1974. I was totally outclassed, losing seven games, drawing one and winning one.

... drawing one and winning one. BOTH were Sicilian Najdorfs. One as White, one as Black.