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sooo true. have u seen summa the openings in the 15 min superGM rapid going on right now ?

lol ! MC: 1. a3

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1. a3 ...g6 is good. Wonder if 1. a3 ...g5 is possible.

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Eric Rosen is not fool enough to play this rubbish at a regular game. So far, he's playing it in blitz and bullet games, where every sort of nonsense is playable. Not even once in a slow game.

I'm a beginner so for me 15 min is a slow game and majority of games are played in even faster time controls. In them Stafford is a perfectly good weapon (Dubov also played it in a tournament) and for such games I'm looking for a pleasent opening.

I agree though that the opening is not my Biggest problem rn 

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Urusov Gambit...

https://www.ianchessgambits.com/urusov-gambit.html

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/urusov/gambit/index.html

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2008/urusov-update.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfFFaxF4HE8

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Italian and Vienna are both fine choices.

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Zakstin wrote:

Eric Rosen is not fool enough to play this rubbish at a regular game. So far, he's playing it in blitz and bullet games, where every sort of nonsense is playable. Not even once in a slow game.

I'm a beginner so for me 15 min is a slow game and majority of games are played in even faster time controls. In them Stafford is a perfectly good weapon (Dubov also played it in a tournament) and for such games I'm looking for a pleasent opening.

I agree though that the opening is not my Biggest problem rn 

 

15 min is way too fast for a beginner, unless of course you don't mind staying a beginner forever.

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Zakstin wrote:

I'm a beginner so for me 15 min is a slow game

It's the opposite. A 15 minute game for you is like a 3 minute game for me. As a beginner you need a lot more time to do basic things like checking whether your move is safe and seeing what your opponent's last move threatened.

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Yeah idk if a 1200 can benefit from playing classical time controls and even if I just want to have fun with chess and in this spirit the question about the openings was asked. 

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verylate wrote:

everything is possible 

uhhh, not quite. i cant have a baby a/m. 

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Praveen_bhat97 wrote:
pfren wrote:
punter99 wrote:

Why not 2.Bc4? It often transposes to the Italian and you don't have to deal with the Petroff.

 

You have to deal with 2...Nf6 3.d3 c6 though, which is fine for Black..

Can you tell me, which is the best option for white to reach very sharp tactical positions through opening 

ANY opening. It's not the opening that is sharp and tactical, it's what kind of play you engage in.

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"What's the magic opening where I always get the kind of position I like and know how to play."

The answer is you have to play and study a lot. You'll have to learn many openings before this happens because your opponent gets to make half the moves. You'll have to learn many middlegame and endgame ideas too.

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That's way too much work!

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MatthewFreitag wrote:
This is the Urosov, correct?

 

Not totally. It is named the Urusov gambit, and it is not a very good choice by white.

First because white cannot hope for more than equality in the main line 3...exd4 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Qxd4 Nf6 6.Nc3 c6!, and second because after 4...Bb4+! 5.c3 dxc3 6.bxc3 d5 he may even have to fight to avoid being worse.

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In the old reference books I used, mainly written in the 70s and 80s, it definitely wasn't mentioned as a reasonable sort of second string gambit. It would have probably merited a very short paragraph at most, which would be why I don't remember it being mentioned at all. Just one of those crazy, bad openings they used to play in the 1800s.

Urusov may have been Russia's second player but when he got into the main line of a Moller Attack against Petrov, he played Kf1 instead of Nc3 in reaction the the normal Bb4+, I suppose because he didn't want to lose the exchange.