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Yes, GM Simon Williams has wrote a book on the Jobava not the Mark

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AadarshIyengar hat geschrieben:

Yes, GM Simon Williams has wrote a book on the Jobava not the Mark

 

As far as I know he made two video courses about the opening, one for chessable and one on his on page, but he didn't wrote a book.

 

Anyway, because of the corona virus I have a lot of spare time right now and so I started my own Youtube Channel and released two videos about the Jobava-London-System. More videos are planned. I hope you will find them usefull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3wzoWAakAA&list=PLveGENqWFWNCq5jyTvyTs8zoFb3m192Ij&index=2&t=0s

 

Best,

Jonny

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Tdrev wrote:

Since this is a thread on the london already does anyone have suggestion to what is a good book on the london for me? I saw Kiri Georgiev wrote an entire book on playing against the london and i know chessbase got dvd against it. The London is really popular around here now i think its worth it for me to learn well to beat it

That's impossible. People play it because it's completely solid, disregarding silly versions with Nc3 of course. What you can do is find how results compare when you play an early Bd6 to not doing so, for instance. How do you get on with playing an early Q b6 or something like that. I would think any book on the London has to be a waste of money. I mean, what is there to understand? Try playing it perhaps, and learn that way.

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Come to think, it's been played a few times against me lately. I wrongly assumed they didn't know what they were doing. I tended to counter it partly by giving them absolutely no reason to move the Nc3 again. It seemed completely useless except once when I lost by mistake. I got splattered by a K-side pawn push.

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gionavarrete wrote:

What if black opens/responds to our opening pawn move 1.5d with ...c5? Do we just push the pawn forward to 2.d6, or do we back it up with 2. e3? I'm studying GM Ginger's lesson on the opening. 

d4 C5 d5
Gotta play some benonish thing then 

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The name of the opening is Mark's Opening. I played Mark's Opening as White in the Donetsk Invitational in 2010 against Baadur Jobava. I confused the move order and it went like this: 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bf4 c6 4. Nb5 cxb5     0 - 1

After the game we analysed the opening with Ivanchuk and he checked the lines on Mark's database. It turns out it would have been better for me to play Nb1 rather than Nb5 on move 4 with a slight edge to Black. 



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malkmusiscool wrote:

The name of the opening is Mark's Opening. I played Mark's Opening as White in the Donetsk Invitational in 2010 against Baadur Jobava. I confused the move order and it went like this: 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bf4 c6 4. Nb5 cxb5     0 - 1

After the game we analysed the opening with Ivanchuk and he checked the lines on Mark's database. It turns out it would have been better for me to play Nb1 rather than Nb5 on move 4 with a slight edge to Black. 



Everything about this is wrong 

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Yes, it's drivel.

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I’d bet 50 bucks all of that is false and 4. Nb1 is a terrible move

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While I was prepping Carlsen for his bullet match up with Tal, we went through a few lines of the reversed Mark's: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3 cxd5 Bf5 4. dxc6

Carlsen decided against 3.Bf5 on the grounds that Tal would probably refuse the sacrifice with 4. a3 !!!! exclam. This stops Black from performing the crushing 4. Qxd4 with counterplay.

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The only tournaments in 2010 that included both Jobava and Ivanchuk was the 38th Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk in Siberia and the 29th European Blitz in Warsaw, Poland.

Not particularly impressive trolling.

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blueemu wrote:

The only tournaments in 2010 that included both Jobava and Ivanchuk was the 38th Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk in Siberia and the 29th European Blitz in Warsaw, Poland.

Not particularly impressive trolling.

Agreed

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Also nice facts emu

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FJ83 írta:

Hi,

I originally put this in what may have been the wrong section under "Beginners," so I just moved it here.

I've been a member for a long time, but go in and out of playing for various reasons. I started using an opening that I learned from GM Simon Williams called the Jobava London System that starts off with the move order:

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4...

I have had some good results playing folks at work with this, but I've had some issues when black moves 3... Nh5 attacking the bishop on Bf4. I've tried to look for some PGNs, but haven't been successful in finding anything useful. This may be because it's a rubbish move, but im unsure.

Any constructive thoughts would be MUCH appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Hey FJ83, hello everyone happy.png I think 3...Nh5 is possible, but Black has many better ways to proceed (e6, c5, Bf5; just to name a few), it's important to develop early on. I recently played some games against the Jobava System and I think I've managed to come up with a nice solution. I analysed one of these games here: https://www.chess.com/blog/CSB7/road-to-gm-3-titled-tuesday-2021-04-06-chaotic-games-solid-score

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The Jobova is complete rubbish. Like anything, justification can be found and of course, it's such a surprise and a shock.

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SaintMark wrote:
neveraskmeforadraw wrote:

Mark's opening does not exist. Why do people make up such stuff!? And whoever this Mark dude may be, he is most certainly is not a chess theoritician. There is absouletly not a single information about him on the internet.

Of course Mark's Opening exists: www.Marksopening.blogspot.com . It's 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nc3 d5 3 Bf4 . It's existed since 2008.

Why do people make up stuff such as the Ruy Lopez or the Queen's gambit or Bird's Opening? What kind of question's that?

There might be no information about Mark on the internet, but there's more than 1 web-site with information about Mark's Opening on the internet.

 

You cannot be serious. First, there were 960 games in the Mega Database from 2007 back, so you did not invent anything. Second, you are clueless about how openings are often named. It is not necessarily the person, who invents the opening, but often the person, who popularizes it. You are a nobody, and Jobava, whom people actually know of, has 156 world-class level games in Mega.

Go away! You are embarrassing yourself.

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After many years and such a successful opening group targeting the London System, I broke off to start a group: Jobava London System.

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malkmusiscool wrote:

While I was prepping Carlsen for his bullet match up with Tal, we went through a few lines of the reversed Mark's: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3 cxd5 Bf5 4. dxc6
Carlsen decided against 3.Bf5 on the grounds that Tal would probably refuse the sacrifice with 4. a3 !!!! exclam. This stops Black from performing the crushing 4. Qxd4 with counterplay.

I was taking a walk on the moon the other day. I have this mate there ... they call him the man in the moon but actually he's on it, not in it. Anyway we had a couple of games of chess and it went the same way. He played 4. Nb1 and announced mate in 157 moves. I just conceded because he wouldn't lie.

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if you want to play the jobava-rapport "system" make sure not to wing it and actually learn all the unique families of counterplay and when exactly they are played. Trust me when i say that agaisnt a good opponent you do not want to "wing" it. You can get in trouble either with the b2 pawn, or pressure on c3, or if you do dxc5 at the wrong time, end up with no center.

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